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NewsBunny
11/09/09

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A) -- GOOD FOR PEGGY! Both for not bowing to the commands of King Don, and telling Roger to get his own fucking coffee.

B) -- Why do I still feel bad for Don? Why? It's okay for him to cheat, but for his wife; it's okay for him to throw his wife across the room, but not for his wife to stand up to him -- I mean, the list goes on and on.

But I want to take him home and have him ravage me and perhaps walk about my home in the morning in nothing but boxer shorts, while his un-Brylcreemed hair flops endearingly around his face.

If my husband acted like Don, I'd use my jab-cross combo and break his nose. #openthread
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aericks
11/09/09

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Can someone parse for me what Don was saying to Peggy in her apartment? I watched it twice and it still made no sense though it sounded dreadfully important. "People buy objects and people and we know how we are those people?"
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NewsBunny
11/09/09

@aericks: It's all smoke and mirrors. The things we buy -- can't change terrible things. Peggy's baby. Don's past. But people buy them anyway, to try and feel better.

How am I doing? #openthread
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icyblonde
11/09/09

@NewsBunny: And that whole exchange makes me think someday Don and Peggy will end up together. They are two halves of the same dysfunctional coin. Once he grows up and begins to truly appreciate her, he will see that she is exactly the sort of person who can fully relate to his "Dick Whitman" side and has seen him be completely capable at work as Don Draper.

Am I the only messed up Don/Peggy shipper? #openthread
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NewsBunny
11/09/09

@icyblonde: Agreed. I posted about that more extensively a couple of posts down.

That path is being paved in a very subtle manner. #openthread
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Island of Misfit Toys
11/09/09

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What's up with the name Sterling Cooper. There must be some value to the name recognition in the industry. And now 2 ad agencies have it on their door.

Will the original firm block the new firm from using it (due to copyright issues) or will they want to change their name as the Sterling and Cooper are no longer with them? #openthread
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jigglyball
11/09/09

@Island of Misfit Toys: Can the original firm use it now that both Sterling and Cooper are gone?

And given that Roger inherited SC, it must be old enough to have an established reputation (and I believe they're known for being more innovative than the "sausage factories" like McCann. #openthread
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almohadita
11/09/09

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I'm kind of shocked that people are saying they want Betty and Don to get back together. He is a BAD man. Nice exterior, but oh man underneath is he ugly. Sure he didn't hit her (since when is that something to congratulate someone on?), but calling her a whore repeatedly is basically the same thing - and SO RICH coming from him.

The way he's treated her over the past few years (and before? Who knows) is certainly abusive. I can't fault Betty for using Henry Francis to get this divorce. She can't do it alone. She tested the waters before, and her father's lawyer basically told her it was impossible. We need some perspective on Betty's situation. Thankfully it's hard for us to imagine being so dependent on men, but wishing for some miraculous feminist epiphany from Betty where she magically shakes off the role society has given her is asking too much. I've always had a lot of patience with her, and I'll continue to. I think she'll figure it out as fast as she can given her situation. #openthread
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OneTwoPunch
11/09/09

@almohadita: True. It's hard from our heights here in this age to understand the economic underclass women used to live in. And if they had children? How would they afford to feed them without resorting to public assistance? Their husbands could have controlled their bank accounts in some cases, doling out an "allowance" or monitoring any movements outside the house or relationships which could be perceived as a threat. Hard to escape that sort of slavish condition without some outside help or independent income. #openthread
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Island of Misfit Toys
11/09/09

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I just want to say that I really love Trudy and Pete together. I think they are one of the few happy couples on that show. Some of the cast and crew have stated that Pete and Trudy are really Don and Betty, just five years behind. I disagree. Trudy is clearly a partner with Pete and they both clearly love each other and work together to make him the best he can be at his job. #openthread
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OneTwoPunch
11/09/09

@Island of Misfit Toys: Except for his affairs, and that whole "sleeping with Peggy the night before his marriage which resulted in an adopted out child" thing. But yeah, other than that, true love! #openthread
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zorazero
11/09/09

@Island of Misfit Toys: I love how Trudy calls out "Pete, can I talk with you a moment?" from the bedroom when she thinks he's putting his foot in it with Sterling and Don... #openthread
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icyblonde
11/09/09

@OneTwoPunch: The more capable Trudy gets, the more I see Pete curbing that behavior. He's almost going through the Lothario motions rather than really being wired that way. We have to bear in mind that those two are painfully young when compared to those they attempt to emulate (the elder statesmen at S&C in his case and her mother and high society in general in her case). And yet when they were home watching the assassination news, they were nothing like those people. Childless-not-by-choice couples often have little rifts in the beginnings of their marriage but then grow incredibly close over time. #openthread
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OneTwoPunch
11/09/09

@icyblonde: Good points. Last nights' episode did show them in a more empathatic light than before. And women did rationalize cheating behavior as much as their men did, so they were both complicit in the deception. But can Pete override the way he's been hard-wired and the reinforcement of double standard messages he constantly gets from his mentors? It keeps us all watching... #openthread
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OneTwoPunch
11/09/09

@OneTwoPunch: "empathetic" Edit tool missing? #openthread
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OneTwoPunch
11/09/09

@zorazero: Great scene. And how he blew it off. #openthread
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AndPreciousLittleofThat
11/09/09

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I can't help but wonder, who's now the big cheese at Sterling Cooper? #openthread
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monkeydance
11/09/09

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I thought Roger hit the nail on the head with regards to Don when he told him "You don't know how to have relationships." And then for the rest of the night all the relationships around him broke down. #openthread
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Island of Misfit Toys
11/09/09

@monkeydance: But her learned and rebuilt some of them - Pete and Peggy... #openthread
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jigglyball
11/09/09

@Island of Misfit Toys: I agree that Roger was on the nose there, but after that conversation, Don showed that he valued his relationship with Betty by vowing not to fight her, and he opened up to Peggy in a way he's rarely communicated with anyone. And it worked! His ability to be humble in front of Roger was pretty big, too, I think. #openthread
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anniehall77
11/09/09

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Just rewatched: BEST CHRISTMAS SPECIAL EVER!!!

ps. can you imagine Carla having to explain to the kids, "sorry mommy can't be here for Christmas because she's in Reno with your new future daddy" : (
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Island of Misfit Toys
11/09/09

@anniehall77: And she's with your baby brother because he's clearly her favorite and she loves him more than she ever loved you. #openthread
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veronykah
11/09/09

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I find the criticism of Betty's actions with Henry to be interesting. Have none of you chastising her ever had a wretched break up?
Yes as someone outside of her, I can see what she is doing and its probably stupid.
But having gone through a few shitty breakups, if I would have had someone I saw as a knight in shining armor waiting to "save" me etc I would have done the EXACT same thing.
Its called a rebound boyfriend and after being with someone as shitty as Don I would expect nothing less from her or anyone else. #openthread
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rednrowdy
11/09/09

@veronykah: it's always more than a bit disingenuous when there's a known entity waiting in the wings of a breakup, regardless of the person or the scenario. people can't help but look askance at it. in the season of the show, i can't help but juxtapose all of the sequences in rome vs. them fighting in the bedroom in the season finale. don was also a raging philanderer to be sure, but he wasn't lining up someone to take the place of his wife and henry francis is clearly lining up to take the place of don. i've known people in real life who have done this, both male and female, and regardless of the outcome, it still creeps me out. #openthread
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Island of Misfit Toys
11/09/09

@veronykah: Except that she fell for the "night in shining armor" act before, with Don. She hasn't learned anything and she's continuing her pattern and that's what I'm angry about. #openthread
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lazycrockett
11/09/09

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Can anyone tell me why the door to the art department has a "f" taped to it? #openthread
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FourInchHeels
11/09/09

@lazycrockett: For the same reason I occasionally see a B and an R written around ONE on the back of a dollar bill. #openthread
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jemma
11/09/09

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Mad Men: The Ocean's Eleven episode. #openthread
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DinaRonson : Elizabeth Cady Stanton
11/09/09

@jemma: Winner. As winning as Joannie & Roger. #openthread
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hovy
11/09/09

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That. That was fucking fierce. And Joan's back! Yay!

Anyone else suspect that Trudy will be working for the new Sterling-Cooper-Draper-Pyrce as a secretary? They're going to need one. (Joan is no secretary. She is the MANAGER of that place.) #openthread
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Vixen5
11/09/09

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Oh. Shit.

That is all. #openthread
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anniehall77
11/09/09

@Vixen5: Too funny, was thinking that too, but my mind is reeling so I know I'll have more to add soon... #openthread
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Residentdrunkgirl
11/09/09

@anniehall77: Just finished it. Oh my wtf. wtf. Sal must join...wtf. wtf. Betty. omg. #openthread
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anniehall77
11/09/09

@Residentdrunkgirl: Yeah, it was that good : ) #openthread
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Vixen5
11/10/09

@anniehall77: Seriously. My mind was blown. That finale was phenomenal! #openthread
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Little Miss Siouxsie
11/09/09

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Does anyone else think that Betty will NOT marry Henry Francis? Betty is finally standing up on her own, but (to squeeze the life out of a metaphor) her legs are a little atrophied. She can use Francis' financial security and emotional support. Because Don accepted the divorce, it seems unlikely he would refuse to provide and so I think Betty will eventually say No to Francis' offer. To me, there was nothing she said that revealed she was going to marry him. I can't stop thinking about her smile and the way the last shot of her was lit. It suggested that she's thinking of her brighter future and the light is only on her; she's not sharing the spotlight with Francis which leads me to think that her next moves are only about her. Team Betty!! #openthread
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Island of Misfit Toys
11/09/09

@Little Miss Siouxsie: I agree with you. If Betty goes off and marries Henry Francis, then the Don/Betty storyline is pretty much resolved and January Jones will have a much smaller part. If she stays single, then Don has a chance to woo her and a duel between him and Henry Francis can be explored and it keeps Betty a pivotal part of the show. #openthread
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lazycrockett
11/09/09

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You know I'm surprised as all the love Sal is getting on various forums. #openthread
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Residentdrunkgirl
11/09/09

@lazycrockett: Sal is amazing #openthread
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