Quite honestly, hearing the words "teacher" and "caught", and "sex", in the same sentence, I can only feel relief on realizing that it's between adults.
Also, I laughed really hard when I read the first sentence of the steak-throwing. And then I just got sad reading the rest of it.
I went to that high school, and one of those women was my teacher for two years. This really does not surprise me at all. Nor do I feel that bad for her. She always had some major boundary issues. I'm kind of surprised she didn't get in trouble for something before this
@colormeroutine: I grew up by that school! (but didn't end up going there). Sort of odd to say Brooklyn Pride for a post about a sex-escandalo but there we have it. Brooklyn pride indeed. It's just rare to read about that part of Brooklyn other than when cricket players get hit by lightning in Marine Park. True story.
"A western Pennsylvania woman who drank herself unconscious celebrating her 20th birthday says a hospital didn't properly treat her, resulting in partial amputations of both of her legs."
It seems to frame the issue as "another one of 'dem womenz folk couldn't take her alchie and now is suing a good America small town hospital."
A quick scan of the first few comments how conveniently everyone fell into the AP's trap without knowing any substantial facts.
Another example of why that wire service is heading to the dumpster.
If you have drunk too much surely the most responsible place to go/be taken too is the emergency room? You'd hope to be taken care of there and not left slumped over/passed out in a dangerous position!?
First, I think that drunk, passed out woman at the hospital should sue the pants off that hospital. Her freaking legs had to be amputated because she was left passed out in an odd position for 12 hours? That's clear neglect. Not saying she should have been drunk, but... the hospital definitely should have been more on top of their shit. That amputation could have easily been prevented.
Also, two incidences of female on male violence... interesting. I felt especially bad for the disabled guy getting smacked around with a steak. I do find it interesting that this kind of thing would make the news, since most domestic violence cases (with female victims) rarely get any publicity. I guess the steak part made it really weird?
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I'm disturbed by how many people I have seen say it was the drunk girl's fault. If you have drunk too much surely the most responsible place to go is the er.
I read the actual article about the teachers, and am I missing something? What was the proof that they were "getting busy"? It doesn't even say to what degree they were unclothed. Granted, they shouldn't have been unclothed at all, but my school had no locker room so girls often got changed in an empty classroom. I've gotten changed at work plenty of times (in a private bathroom stall, of course). Still, this seems like a desperate grab for a salacious headline and yet another railroad job.
They didn't notice someone sitting in the exact same position--on the floor in their emergency room--for 12 hours? I'm sure hospitals get crazy and busy, but sheesh.
Sidenote: Is it normal to pass out for 12 straight hours without moving?'
Edit: Nevermind! TrudysHats knows all (see below), and also has an awesome name.
The teacher story blows my mind. Last spring, I walked down the hall of the middle school where I teach with my skirt tucked into my underwear. I no longer feel so bad about that.
The girl with the amputated legs was not sitting on them for 12 hours in the emergency room. She was sitting on them at home for 12 hours, then was found and taken to the emergency room. After she was there, she claims the hospital failed to diagnose the problem with her legs caused by sitting in that position, and instead eventually transferred her to another hospital where her legs were amputated.
@TrudysHats: Wow. I had compartment syndrome in both my legs about 10 years ago. It was a quick surgery with only an epidural and two small scars. I never knew it could lead to amputation. Probably best I didn't know it. I was a huge baby about it all anyway.
@CherriSpryte: Ugh, that'll teach me to actually read the linked article. That sucks. But at least she wasn't collapsed, unregarded, in the ER for 6 hours.
@wealhtheow: true. Though I don't want to insult the fine people who work in ERs, based on my own experiences, I wouldn't've been surprised if that was the case.
@TrudysHats: Comments from that article:
"She was stupid and paid the price with her legs. I doubt that she'll learn from that. I'll bet she'll get drunk again the first excuse she can think about for doing it."
" this is the kind of lawsuit that makes it tougher on people with genuine claims to be fairly heard."
I wonder if these two idiots ever got drunk to the point of passing out in their lives. No one deserves to be treated the way she was.
@TrudysHats: What I'm having trouble understanding is this - she drank so much that she passed out for 12 hours, but the doctors didn't take her complaints seriously because she was intoxicated. 12 hours later, she was still drunk? Or am I missing something? Do doctors use that word to describe something other than just drunk, or are they trying to cover their asses in hindsight?
@rixatrix: You can still be drunk the next day. It could mean because she was intoxicated the previous night and they thought she didn't know what she was talking about.
Either way, it looks like malpractice to me. People get passed-out drunk all the time. Sometimes they die. People get into fights. They crack their heads open. They get hit by cars. They choke on their own vomit. And sure, they pass out in weird positions. But if you're taken to the hospital, they should know what they're doing and how to treat you, not dismiss you for being drunk (sound familiar, rape/dv investigations?)
@dirtybee: Yeah, some people have no compassion. Did she make a mistake getting so drunk she passed out. Yes. Have I made that same mistake in my life? Yes, one time when I was in college. It was a stupid mistake that many young adults make. Does that excuse the hospital for misdiagnosing her symptoms or waiting too long to transfer her to another hospital that could help her? No.
Would the story about the teachers have been written if it were a heterosexual couple? I doubt it would have been written in the style it was - talking about their tattoos, interviewing 16-year-olds to find out if their teachers were "sexy."
I guess the bigger question is if the teachers would have been dismissed if they were a hetero couple.
@LoSpaz: Its the Daily News so, well, it would still be tabloidish even if they were hetero. But probably not as much as it is with two "good-looking" young women.
And I agree with Ms. Skittles. They were undressing in a classroom and that is all it should take.
@LoSpaz: I think they would have been dismissed if they were heterosexual. Undressing and/or engaging in sexual activity on school grounds is a no-no, and doing it while there are students in the building adds another degree of inappropriateness to the mix.
@LoSpaz: Oh, it definitely wouldn't have. That would be a 'they're damaging our youth' kind of story, not 'lolz lesbians.'
Though I initially misread it as "getting ready during a talent show" and was very confused. Wouldn't it make sense for them to be changing for a show or whatever? But the "international language of love" line set me straight.
@LoSpaz: The story would probably have been written differently, but I'm pretty sure that hetero teachers would have been dismissed. Kids were in the building and if a janitor found them, kids could have as well.
Also-I think a teacher would have been dismissed if they were masturbating in an abandoned classroom.
@Lymed: You are both right about the inappropriate behavior around students. I was just so taken aback by the tone of the story. I shouldn't be but I am.
@thecameralovesyou: I love this. My husband randomly says this all the time. But seriously, it seems to me that they were probably changing in the classroom for a skit or something, as someone upthread said. They must be desperate for stories.
@badmutha: I was a teacher at a boarding school (and lived in the boarding residence with 60 highschool girls) and I started dating one of my fellow teachers who lived in the boys residence. We both had our own apartments in the residence, and we'd often hang out in his apartment (and do OTHER things in his apartment). Our higher-ups knew we were together (as did the students...or at least they guessed) and I never got shit for it. But I guess it's different when you live at work.
@thecameralovesyou: And I'm guessing the higher-ups would have felt differently if you'd been caught having sex in his classroom while there were students in the building.
@Breamworthy: Yes. True. We were never permitted to have sex in the classroom. We did have sex in his apartment and students were in THAT building. And I was more addressing that Badmutha was asking if anyone is allowed to have sex at work.
@thecameralovesyou: I chuckled when you mentioned boarding schools because the New England boarding school I went to was definitely very invested in preserving the cultural image of teachers as sexless moral exemplars. Married people and those living off-campus were generally left alone by administration, but I remember that single faculty members were strongly discouraged from drinking, smoking, having lovers overnight, etc. We can't have the ickle high schoolers know about premarital sex and good wine!!! I don't think any teachers were actually disciplined for anything of that sort, although, gossipy teenagers being involved, there were rumors, but faculty members were certainly nervous about the whole thing. I remember in particular a teacher refusing to lend me a copy of Torch Song Trilogy "just to be safe" and another teacher refusing to discuss her feminist anti-pornography stance because "this conversation might be construed by some as inappropriate." Oh yeah, and the rule that barred unmarried gay couples from living in freshmen/sophomore dorms, that was fun too, and despite student-administration dialogue I believe it's still on the books. But hey, what am I saying, shitting on my ol' alma mater. Surely we've progressed far since spring 2009!
@jtate: That seems definitely more strict that the school I was both a student at and then taught at. I do remember when I was a student I was completely in the dark about the goings on of teachers (and frankly, wasn't too interested). I kind of saw them as sexless beings. But when I was a teacher, the students seemed to love gossiping about the teachers and their personal lives.
I don't remember ever being told not to have "overnight guests" or not to drink/smoke/etc, but it was kind of understood. I never stayed over at my boyfriends, because I can only imagine the talk when I was caught leaving in the morning. But I still don't think I'd be reprimanded for it. I guess I'll never know.
Okay, the malpractice case? I was sitting here all judgmental and "oh cry me a river, you were drinking underage passed out you weenie...OH HOLY SHIT AMPUTATED BOTH LEGS?!"
@Zombie Ms. Skittles: Yeah, that's going in my "terrify the young'uns" file for sure. Don't drink until you're legal, you could lose both of your legs! .... also, aaaagh!
@la.donna.pietra: Right! Whatever happened to the good old days when kids would wait until their twenty-first birthday to do crazy, potentially deadly shit with alcohol?
Something tells me this lady will have a rather low-key birthday next year. I hope.
@Dauphine: Yeah, I thought about her when I was reading this article. I understand that some ERs are dangerously understaffed, and that's a huge problem, but someone should have noticed that she was passed out and in an unsafe position.
@NellMood: She was not sitting on her legs at the hospital.. she was at home when that happened and was eventually found by her sister and then taken to the hospital by ambulance. This article has more detail: [www.pittsburghlive.com]
@la.donna.pietra: I had the same reaction, but if you read the article, she was passed out somewhere (not the emergency room) alone for 12 hours with her legs under her (a relative found her). She is suing the hospital because when she came in with complaints of pain in her legs (she was still apparently very drunk) they did not correctly diagnose her in time.
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"Woman Sues Over Drunken Leg Amputations"
Were the doctors drunk while amputating her legs? Did she amputate her own legs while drunk? What the phalanges is going on here?
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"A western Pennsylvania woman who drank herself unconscious celebrating her 20th birthday says a hospital didn't properly treat her, resulting in partial amputations of both of her legs."
It seems to frame the issue as "another one of 'dem womenz folk couldn't take her alchie and now is suing a good America small town hospital."
A quick scan of the first few comments how conveniently everyone fell into the AP's trap without knowing any substantial facts.
Another example of why that wire service is heading to the dumpster.
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First, I think that drunk, passed out woman at the hospital should sue the pants off that hospital. Her freaking legs had to be amputated because she was left passed out in an odd position for 12 hours? That's clear neglect. Not saying she should have been drunk, but... the hospital definitely should have been more on top of their shit. That amputation could have easily been prevented.
Also, two incidences of female on male violence... interesting. I felt especially bad for the disabled guy getting smacked around with a steak. I do find it interesting that this kind of thing would make the news, since most domestic violence cases (with female victims) rarely get any publicity. I guess the steak part made it really weird?
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I'm disturbed by how many people I have seen say it was the drunk girl's fault. If you have drunk too much surely the most responsible place to go is the er.
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Sidenote: Is it normal to pass out for 12 straight hours without moving?'
Edit: Nevermind! TrudysHats knows all (see below), and also has an awesome name.
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Here's an article with more detail.
[www.pittsburghlive.com]
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"She was stupid and paid the price with her legs. I doubt that she'll learn from that. I'll bet she'll get drunk again the first excuse she can think about for doing it."
" this is the kind of lawsuit that makes it tougher on people with genuine claims to be fairly heard."
I wonder if these two idiots ever got drunk to the point of passing out in their lives. No one deserves to be treated the way she was.
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Either way, it looks like malpractice to me. People get passed-out drunk all the time. Sometimes they die. People get into fights. They crack their heads open. They get hit by cars. They choke on their own vomit. And sure, they pass out in weird positions. But if you're taken to the hospital, they should know what they're doing and how to treat you, not dismiss you for being drunk (sound familiar, rape/dv investigations?)
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I guess the bigger question is if the teachers would have been dismissed if they were a hetero couple.
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And I agree with Ms. Skittles. They were undressing in a classroom and that is all it should take.
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Though I initially misread it as "getting ready during a talent show" and was very confused. Wouldn't it make sense for them to be changing for a show or whatever? But the "international language of love" line set me straight.
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Also-I think a teacher would have been dismissed if they were masturbating in an abandoned classroom.
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Arggh! I've never been able to figure out how to successfully embed on Jez.
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I don't remember ever being told not to have "overnight guests" or not to drink/smoke/etc, but it was kind of understood. I never stayed over at my boyfriends, because I can only imagine the talk when I was caught leaving in the morning. But I still don't think I'd be reprimanded for it. I guess I'll never know.
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Something tells me this lady will have a rather low-key birthday next year. I hope.
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[www.pittsburghlive.com]
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I imagine this was much the same.
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[www.individual.com]
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