As a 44-year-old re-entering the dating pool after 19 years, I think part of the new wave of "cougarness" is generational. I don't particularly want to date a man older than me by more than a couple of years because that puts him squarely into the Boomer set. I relate much better to men 5-10 years younger; we listen to the same music, watch the same tv shows and movies. There's a huge cliff of fuddy-duddy for men currently hitting about 52. I guess that makes me a newly minted cougar, but it's not because I want "young meat", I just want a guy I can talk to w/o it feeling like I'm talking to my dad.
Oh, and I actually do want to get married, since it would be my first.
Listen, I'm 52 and twice-divorced and I will be SHOCKED if I get married again--mostly because I don't WANT to be married again. Many women I know my age feel the same way. Do they factor this into their study?
What I think is ridiculous is that I'm 19 and my crush-of-the-moment is 16, and already I get cougar jokes. When I tell friends about the crush, I feel have to justify it ("16 is legal, you know," "he's really smart and mature for his age, more than most of the guys I know in college," etc. etc.) because it gets so many weird looks and mean comments. It's happened to some of my friends who go for younger guys as well. Meanwhile, boys my age with girlfriends (or potential-girlfriends) still in high school don't have to make any excuses about their relationships. The only one I know who gets made fun of for it, it's because of the fact that he's engaged to her, not because of how old she is. With girls who get crushes on or date older guys, it's "cute" rather than "creepy."
In essence, though the cougar stereotype is mostly leveled at women over 35, the truth is that our culture is uncomfortable with any relationship where the woman appears to have the power rather than the man, and because our culture is also "ageist," it's assumed the older person has the power over the younger. So older woman, younger men relationships are threatening to the patriarchal power structure. This is why our culture is perfectly okay with the whole Playboy ideal, but the reverse - a la Harold and Maude - is seen as "creepy." And this is why even a young woman, even in cases where the two partners are fairly close in age, has to deal with flack for dating someone younger than herself.
I think that the expectations on marriage of (some) middle-aged men are so ridiculous that women just rather not deal with that ever.again.
For example my mom dates, but has never remarried. My dad remarried into a very non-egalitarian relationship.
I am with everyone else on this. I am 40, married to a fantastic man, but if we God forbid divorced or he passed away, uh huh, no marriage again for me. I would live my life, have lovers if I wanted and be content to know I had a wonderful marriage at one point. This desperation bullshit is insulting. It is like saying all women dream of being married when they are a little girl. I beg to differ.
My mom is over 50 and divorced. She's totally uninterested in getting remarried. (Interestingly, my dad is remarried to a woman 12 years his junior.)
Higher-educated women with good paying jobs probably just don't care enough to make getting remarried any kind of priority. They certainly seem to have enough going for them.
@girlsetsfire: My mom is also over 50, divorced, well educated, and makes great money in a rewarding job, and when men her age hit on her, she's like, "Ugh, they just want me to take care of them. No thanks."
@jigglyball: My mother-in-law is divorced, in her 60s. I asked her once if she would ever remarry and she gave me the Look of Death; my aunt, in her 50s is a widow, and similarly disinterested in remarrying. Obviously, the census can't take into account wanting to get married vs being happily single.
@jigglyball: That's exactly what my mom says! She's over 60, retired, and very happy with her volunteering, antiquing, house flipping, and her cat. And calling me every day to chat about it all. Ha ha.
If I find myself divorced or widowed in my 50's, that's when I find myself a group of sassy girlfriends with whom to cohabitate and embark on a series of zany adventures while wearing sweatsuits with pictures of cats on them.
the difference in the "re-marriage" stats is because women got smart enough NOT to marry again and men are partially useless without women, necessitating that they re-marry lest they die of scurvy or something.
@valhalla_i_am_coming: Oh, man, I am incorporating this analogy into my vocabulary TODAY. As someone who's been giving away milk her whole life I really needed a snappy retort.
You know what would be an interesting study...do men seek out younger women because women in mid-life won't marry them?
Once child-rearing isn't an issue, do middle-aged men feel the sting of their irrelevance to women, causing them to seek out younger women who still need someone to provide for their children?
They can't compete with young men for sex appeal, they aren't needed by women in their age cohort to provide for vulnerable young children anymore, they're staring down the barrel of dependent old age...so they desperately need to prove themselves by wooing younger women.
Same ish, but with the burden of desperation on the other side of the fence.
I thought the pool was already low, and I'm in my 20s. So the water level gets even lower? How will my baby boat stay afloat? Gads! Guess I better just settle.
Maybe women don't want to get remarried because they're tired of putting up with men? I mean, plenty of times there's enough fault on both sides of a divorce, but as BeckySharper points out, men generally benefit from marriage more than ladies.
My mom divorced in her early 40s, then shacked up with a man nearly a decade younger before marrying him. They're one of the sweetest, most functional couples I know. For whatever that's worth. She struck out twice, then hit a home run.
@GirlyQ wants Ziva: I don't know about formulas, but to boil it down to another Courtney Cox sitcom, it's all about "the ick factor." Which varies from person to person. When Monica dated Tom Selleck, it was cute and felt right despite the age difference. When she unwittingly took a high school senior's virginity? Icky.
Also, don't violate any statutory rape laws. That's important.
One thing that isn't drawn out of those marriage/re-marriage stats is that women may be less likely to want to remarry in mid-life than men.
I know a handful of divorced women in their forties and fifties and they all say they wouldn't mind a nice boyfriend, but living with a man and all the compromises and sacrifices that entails...no thanks. Some of them have flatly refused marriage proposals.
It's related to the old factoid that married men live longer than single men but single women outlive married ones. Especially after the child-bearing years, men are probably more likely to want to get married and settle down than women.
@KLondike5: My mom is twice-divorced and now single, and she says exactly this. She does things the way she wants to: her schedule, her food, her friends, her entertainment choices, her house, etc. When she was with each of her husbands, however, their schedules and preferences dictated her life, and she's just not prepared to put up with that again. She says she wouldn't mind some companionship, but she just doesn't want to make the sacrifices that women so often make in marriage.
"Cougar Town would probably suggest women throw back a few drinks, put on a tighter skirt, hire a sitter, and stop thinking already." I accept the challenge. I think I would enjoy this whole schtick more if it didn't set women against each other.
@ZemarSea Urchin: And let's not forget "get extensions (hair and eyelash), hit the gym & swear off any white foods forever, oh, and don't forget to check your self-respect at the door - because Cougar is the new Objectified Sexxxxxay!"
@labeled: Ugh. Noooo. I was only willing to throw back a few drinks, put on some silly skirt, and stop thinking. In fact the drinking and the not thinking thing I've got down already.
@BeckySharper: Crazy talk! All women require a constant state of marriage to be happy.
Seriously, I don't understand why that isn't taken into account in these articles. People change and being married once doesn't mean you want to be married twice.
Call me crazy, but getting remarried has nothing to do with dating. If I get divorced one day there would be no damn reason in the world for me to ever marry again. In the words of Kate the Great:"If you want to give up the admiration of many men for the criticism of one, go ahead, get married."
@badmutha: For real. Just about every woman in my family who's over 50 has said explicitly that if their husbands were to die or leave them, they wouldn't bother remarrying. Been there, done that, don't need to do it again. They'd rather just shack up.
@badmutha: Amen. If I divorce, not getting married again would not be the worst fate for me. AT ALL. I suspect this is true for a good percentage of the divorced women in that study as well.
@all: I said this a little up-thread, but my mom is proof of exactly this. She's been married twice and is now single, and with each marriage, she's picked up and moved several times for her respective husbands' jobs, made career choices that accommodated theirs rather than finding compromises, changed her diet according to their tastes and her free time according to their preferences. Now, she enjoys making decisions primarily for herself, because it's something she never, ever enjoyed while she was married. And she's never been more successful in her professional or social life than she is right now.
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Oh, and I actually do want to get married, since it would be my first.
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In essence, though the cougar stereotype is mostly leveled at women over 35, the truth is that our culture is uncomfortable with any relationship where the woman appears to have the power rather than the man, and because our culture is also "ageist," it's assumed the older person has the power over the younger. So older woman, younger men relationships are threatening to the patriarchal power structure. This is why our culture is perfectly okay with the whole Playboy ideal, but the reverse - a la Harold and Maude - is seen as "creepy." And this is why even a young woman, even in cases where the two partners are fairly close in age, has to deal with flack for dating someone younger than herself.
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For example my mom dates, but has never remarried. My dad remarried into a very non-egalitarian relationship.
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Higher-educated women with good paying jobs probably just don't care enough to make getting remarried any kind of priority. They certainly seem to have enough going for them.
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Once child-rearing isn't an issue, do middle-aged men feel the sting of their irrelevance to women, causing them to seek out younger women who still need someone to provide for their children?
They can't compete with young men for sex appeal, they aren't needed by women in their age cohort to provide for vulnerable young children anymore, they're staring down the barrel of dependent old age...so they desperately need to prove themselves by wooing younger women.
Same ish, but with the burden of desperation on the other side of the fence.
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Maybe women don't want to get remarried because they're tired of putting up with men? I mean, plenty of times there's enough fault on both sides of a divorce, but as BeckySharper points out, men generally benefit from marriage more than ladies.
My mom divorced in her early 40s, then shacked up with a man nearly a decade younger before marrying him. They're one of the sweetest, most functional couples I know. For whatever that's worth. She struck out twice, then hit a home run.
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Also, don't violate any statutory rape laws. That's important.
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I know a handful of divorced women in their forties and fifties and they all say they wouldn't mind a nice boyfriend, but living with a man and all the compromises and sacrifices that entails...no thanks. Some of them have flatly refused marriage proposals.
It's related to the old factoid that married men live longer than single men but single women outlive married ones. Especially after the child-bearing years, men are probably more likely to want to get married and settle down than women.
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Multiple studies have shown that marriage has more tangible benefits for them than it does for women, especially later in life.
So why do all these scary trend pieces make it sound like all unmarried older women are unwillingly and tragically destined for unhappy cat-ladyhood?
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Seriously, I don't understand why that isn't taken into account in these articles. People change and being married once doesn't mean you want to be married twice.
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