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Just had to make fun of the typo.
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Why should the state indulge a woman whose children could probably benefit from the presence (if not serious intervention/removal from the home) of child services anyway?
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i'm not saying she isn't crazy. and i'm not saying it isn't warranted sometimes. but there's a serious, lonely, and sometimes deadly set of problems that occur after "removal from the home" that all of us well-loved morally outraged people ignore so we can feel the parents are being sufficiently punished for their inadequacy or negligence.
do you really think it costs less or is more helpful to sever all connections a child has (including the familiarity and comfort of other friends, family, teachers, neighbors) than to provide genuine and extensive support and education to the parents?
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you, again, missed the fucking point. it's not murder, it's ETHICS..a word that you might need to look up in the first place since you clearly don't know what it means.
you need prayer,
rednrowdy
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You have FOURTEEN kids woman, don't Bogard the cuddles.
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Just a thought.
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When you have children to fill a need this isn't parenting...it's an addiction and the people who suffer the most are the kids.
Sometimes being the best parent you can be is having the wisdom to realize you shouldn't be one.
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But right to procreate doesn't mean that everyone should do it. Unfortunately and fortunately, procreation is a free-market system right now - anyone can do it, and IVF/ART is successful because of market demands.
11/24/09
I think people forget the responsibility part which is why we have so many abused, neglected, sexually assaulted, improvised children left to the system.
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11/24/09
All we can do is shame these parents into submission. The standard of neglect/abuse is pretty high, so these types of parents are (and probably should not be) criminal /athough i'm not sure if the public shaming tactic is working because even though Nadia/Duggars/etc. are publicly mocked, they love the attention too much to care.
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11/24/09
What I am saying is that this is why social safety nets are important, because even if she makes some money out of this, her kids are gonna suffer one way or the other, and it would sure be nice to live in a society where people weren't spitting fire at her. Me, I shrug my shoulders, and think of the kids. Seriously, that's the only decent thing to do. #tips
11/24/09
Legally you cannot force a person not to have children but there needs to be LARGE ethical guild lines in regards to who you implant 8 embryos into when said person has no job, no income to speak of, and 6 young children already.
I am so mad at this doctor. Major fail.
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If we lived in the kind of society where people wouldn't spit fire at her, she wouldn't be famous, don't you think? Also, if we lived in this ladida perfect society she might have gotten decent mental health care somewhere along the line. I sincerely cannot understand how anyone could see Suleman as an object lesson in anything but scientific hubris.
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Here's my problem with ethical standards - they don't really provide any remedies and if any remedies are available, it's after the deed has been done. For example, that idiot doctor was kicked out of the AMA or had his license revoked (maybe both?) - but that doesn't really help the kids or the mother.
Also, there are gonna be unethical/crappy docs out there. Unless ALL of them refuse to implant 8 embryos at once, a determined octomom will find one who will do it. Never stand in the way of a determined gal, I guess.
Eh, I'm just one big critic - it's my lawyer nature.
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11/24/09
It wasn't as if she went "oops the condom broke, or oops I was drunk, or oops my BC failed". This was
1. seek out doctor
2. Secure funding
3.Go for consultation
4. Prepare embryos
5. Prepare for procedure
6. Have procedure
etc etc
This was planned at every step.
Which is why it makes it that much more crazy.
I know there is a big social taboo to call mothers shitty but this women is a shitty fucking mother.
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03/31/09
hmm whenever i see 'discipline' i think dirty thoughts. they could have used reprimanded.
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Oh by the way, there is this thing on Jezebel where if you don't care about a particular issue/person/post, you aren't forced to view it or comment on it. You can keep scrolling, you should have a scroll bar on the right of your browser window with "up" and "down" arrows that allows you to scroll past the posts you don't care about.