Unless the woman is the abuser...I mean, that can happen too. It doesn't have to be so polarizing: Men (Abuser) versus Women (Victim). It's learning that everyone has to have the emotional fortitude to use something besides their fists to rectify a problem. I'm glad that Rihanna's standing up and saying this though. That's just a little bone I have to pick. I've been working with a few teenaged-girls who think nothing of hitting their boyfriends and I've tried to tell them that their behavior is unacceptable and isn't "okay" just because they are girls. Abuse is abuse.
@Ulookinatmyjunk, JOC: I think she was just commenting on her experience, but I agree with you. Abuse is abuse, regardless of male or female. And we need to raise awareness for all.
@Ulookinatmyjunk, JOC: Do you know how rare DV by women against men is? Incredibly so. When men are actual victims, it's overwhelmingly by other men. Same is true when women are batterers: women are usually also the victims. Besides DV isn't just "violence." It's the act of holding someone hostage.
Have those boys being hit by those girls tried leaving? Honest question. If they have and the girls refuse to let them go, chasing them down and terrorizing them or threatening to kill themselves, then it's comparable.
@Andalucía: I wonder if it's incredibly underreported seeing as how humiliating it would be for a man to even mention it because abuse is a "woman thing". And teen relationships thrive on melodrama, so yes (of the kids I've worked with) many a girl has made harrassing phone calls or threatened to "kill herself" if the guy leaves her. But yes, guys do this more than girls, by far. Still, if I reversed your question and said "haven't those girls being hit by boys ever thought of just leaving?", I'm sure I would be reamed. Having a psychological hold on a person is what keeps these abusive relationships in a continuous cycle. There doesn't need to be constant physical restraint to keep a person in line. Abusers thrive on manipulating the minds of those they abuse through damaging their self-esteem and sense of personal power.
@Ginmar Rienne: Slapping is still abuse. If you put your scenario in the reverse (a man slapping a woman) I don't think you'd be so cavalier). And I'm not trying to equalize things. I'm just mentioning that abuse is a equal opportunity kind of thing. Men abuse men. Women abuse women. Men abuse women. Women abuse men. Men and Women abuse children. Now yes, men in many instances have the physical advantage, but to say that a woman doing the same thing to a man wouldn't be just as emotionally damaging is incorrect. Your comment implies women are somehow weaker and can't really emotionally or physically inflict harm. Incorrect. Or that men who are victims of abuse should stay "closeted" because it really doesn't matter in the "gender power structure". Also incorrect. Abuse is abuse. Putting it in terms of women as victims and men as abusers paints a broad stroke that I'm sure Rihanna didn't intend, but because of my experiences working with teens I've had to address more than once. Keeping one's hands to themselves is an EVERYBODY kind of thing. #tips
Rihanna, thank you for saying it. You're getting a standing ovation from me-- right in my living room.
I had a therapist once tell me that my surviving abuse could make me an example to other women. I told him that I'd rather be an example to would-be abusers, rather than a cautionary tale for potential victims.
@Pandorasvoicebox: Are you a Duke graduate? The day I saw those two words juxtaposed like that in the context of raised "be all you can be" expectations for womens' "performance" was the day I truly began to despair for Western humanity, I think.
@PilgrimSoul: Silly me. How could I have forgotten. Excuse me while I self-flagellate.
(You know, my g-ma was an exquisite seamstress. She made clothes that fit and were beautiful (I still have, and wear, a blouse she made for herself, though I'm not sure how she'd feel about that as she used to make fun of me b/c I was a fat kid and I think she'd be quite ambivalent that I've leaned out to her size -- especially with five inches on her in height. Oh well, I guess she'd win 'cause that'd still make her "petiter" than me.). But I can't help but think there's still a difference between that and the bloviated beast that encompasses the concept of "modern fashion" that women are supposed to live up to now.)
@Pandorasvoicebox: My degrees aren't from there, but some of my (best ) friends are (hee), andI read all those articles. Perhaps a word with those lady administrators who were quoted. *shudders* #fashion
I am concerned about the First Lady's breasts in that picture, due to belt placement. If I had a thick leather belt across that area of my body, I would not be looking very happy. #fashion
When do I get permission to to not wonder if I'm a) betraying the feminist ideal or b) betraying my femininity? I'd take either one, but both would be great. #fashion
Well, heh. I still think that if your sole focus is clothes, and if it dominates your daily life, you might be shallow. But it depends somewhat on whether you dress for labels, etc.
In other words, obsession with labels? Definitionally shallow. #fashion
I am well and truly sick and tired of the dismissal of an interest in clothing or fashion as an indicator of shallowness, fiscal incontinence, or stupidity.
A large part of that dismissal, IMO, as to do with the fact that clothes are seen as a 'female' domain. I've never heard similar criticisms being levelled against men and their video game/PlayStation/other electronic habits, all of which are arguably as expensive as clothing and as likely to become obsolete (and unlike clothes, have no value as 'vintage' and aren't essential to, erm, covering nudity). #fashion
11/21/09
A standing ovation?
I'm lame, but seriously, she is so great, and I love her so much.
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Have those boys being hit by those girls tried leaving? Honest question. If they have and the girls refuse to let them go, chasing them down and terrorizing them or threatening to kill themselves, then it's comparable.
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@Ginmar Rienne: Slapping is still abuse. If you put your scenario in the reverse (a man slapping a woman) I don't think you'd be so cavalier). And I'm not trying to equalize things. I'm just mentioning that abuse is a equal opportunity kind of thing. Men abuse men. Women abuse women. Men abuse women. Women abuse men. Men and Women abuse children. Now yes, men in many instances have the physical advantage, but to say that a woman doing the same thing to a man wouldn't be just as emotionally damaging is incorrect. Your comment implies women are somehow weaker and can't really emotionally or physically inflict harm. Incorrect. Or that men who are victims of abuse should stay "closeted" because it really doesn't matter in the "gender power structure". Also incorrect. Abuse is abuse. Putting it in terms of women as victims and men as abusers paints a broad stroke that I'm sure Rihanna didn't intend, but because of my experiences working with teens I've had to address more than once. Keeping one's hands to themselves is an EVERYBODY kind of thing. #tips
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I had a therapist once tell me that my surviving abuse could make me an example to other women. I told him that I'd rather be an example to would-be abusers, rather than a cautionary tale for potential victims.
11/21/09
Finally.
Somebody said it.
11/21/09
but yes, agree with her 100%, the women are not the problem in this equation!
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@PilgrimSoul: Silly me. How could I have forgotten. Excuse me while I self-flagellate.
(You know, my g-ma was an exquisite seamstress. She made clothes that fit and were beautiful (I still have, and wear, a blouse she made for herself, though I'm not sure how she'd feel about that as she used to make fun of me b/c I was a fat kid and I think she'd be quite ambivalent that I've leaned out to her size -- especially with five inches on her in height. Oh well, I guess she'd win 'cause that'd still make her "petiter" than me.). But I can't help but think there's still a difference between that and the bloviated beast that encompasses the concept of "modern fashion" that women are supposed to live up to now.)
Oh dear ... a book. #fashion
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*blushes* *curtsies* #fashion
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Forbidden: Fat, Assertive, Awkward, Ugly
Borderline: Funny (Laughing at jokes made by others = permissible, Making own jokes = questionable) #fashion
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In other words, obsession with labels? Definitionally shallow. #fashion
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A large part of that dismissal, IMO, as to do with the fact that clothes are seen as a 'female' domain. I've never heard similar criticisms being levelled against men and their video game/PlayStation/other electronic habits, all of which are arguably as expensive as clothing and as likely to become obsolete (and unlike clothes, have no value as 'vintage' and aren't essential to, erm, covering nudity). #fashion