Oh, God. This one made me cry. I said goodbye to my Marine at probably this exact same spot almost three weeks ago today. The worst was seeing the Marines who were fathers having to leave their kids behind, especially when the kids are begging them not to go. It's heartbreaking and I pray everyday that they all come home safe. Good luck, 3/10! #camplejeune
Jeez. I know the exact route these guys will be taking to Cherry Point, the lines they will stand in, the gear they will account for, shit, even some of the Marines that will load their stuff onto the bird. They'll ride in buses that pass under bridges that have banners posted on them wishing them luck, they'll arrive at Cherry Point, smoke cigarettes, listen to iPods, wait around, watch the flat screens at the APOG, then finally stand in a long line on the flight deck and fly away.
@ihateyourescalade: "I was taking a larger view" and "I'm just spouting things without really thinking them through" are close relatives.
For example, Saddam's Oil for Food program was a notoriously corrupt, fairly efficient way of getting Iraq's oil to the West, and Saddam had proven plenty of willingness to play ball with us in the past. Secular strong-men are convenient like that. If we simply wanted profits from Iraq's oil, which of the following ways strikes you as a better way to get it:
1) Launch an incredibly costly war that will decimate Iraq's infrastructure and cost far, far, far more than any marginal difference in oil profits you'd get by 'cutting out the middle-man'?
2) Strike a deal with Saddam?
Or, hey, how about:
3) Realize that oil is a fungible commodity, and so who pumps it out of the ground usually isn't the real issue. As one secret classified intelligence source They Don't Want You To Know About (Wikipedia) puts it:
"Fungibility is the property of a good or a commodity whose individual units are capable of mutual substitution. Examples of highly fungible commodities are crude oil, wheat, orange juice ... "
Along with your 'wearing your politics on your sleeve' username, this is the sort of unthinking liberalism that gives the rest of us liberals a bad name. It's a homemade Chimpy McBusHitler sign as a substitute for grappling with the actual issues at hand.
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@CrapCommentFromADude: You surely extrapolate a lot from my one sentence. But that's probably because you're so much smarter and more informed than I am. Thanks for your thoughtful and educated reply. You've totally changed my mind!
Off to go change my screenname now to Chimpy McBusHitler. Or maybe FungibleCommodity. That has such a nice ring to it.
@ihateyourescalade: All it took you was one sentence to say that we're currently in a war over oil. That's a bold, risible claim that just so happens to be flat-out wrong. Stand by your claim or don't, it's up to you, but the "Don't act like you know me!" shtick is a bit much.
My goal is less to change your mind, per se, than to not let such statements pass by unchallenged. There's one of you; there are dozens of people in the peanut gallery. Hopefully if any of them have any question in their mind as to whether or not we're in a war over oil, they can look at your statement, look at mine, and sort things out for themselves.
@CrapCommentFromADude: Hey, thanks again for clarifying just how stupid and wrong I've been! (But at least I'm amusing, with my silly unfounded claims! That's something, isn't it?)
Seriously, though: Thank goodness for cogent arguments like yours. If I may speak for all the other Unthinking Liberals in the peanut gallery, how else would we get our information? I personally might have gone on like this for years had you not taken the time set me straight. Because, you know, I'm too busy being an enemy of liberty and freedom to read the newspaper. (Oh, dear...which, come to think of it, is controlled by Unthinking Liberal Media Elites!)
Should I not respond to you again from here on out, please don't be sad. It's likely I'm off at a pro-war rally with other Thinking Liberals like you. See ya there! And to all you other Unthinking Liberals who may still not have made up your minds: Hope you'll join me!
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John Edwards, Mark Sanford...what is with these politicians doing whatever the hell they please without a word or thought for their wives (remember, the ones who raised the kids and stood by their husbands and helped out on the campaign trail while the hubs apparently became all-powerful and all-knowing)?
How do you explain this to your kids? Well, guys, Dad's other family is going to live next door. He'll sleep here on Tuesdays, Thursdays, and every other weekend.
If you really needed the extra-marital sex, John, couldn't have done the smart thing and slept with somebody on birth control? Somebody sane and discreet? No? You had to create an entire other family to torture your wife's final days, eh?
@Maritsa: He's definitely a giant slimebucket, but we have no way of knowing whether he and Elizabeth were still sexually active with each other at that time, so he may not have exposed her to anything.
Again, he's still a giant ass, but I don't think we can fairly accuse him of exposing her to potential disease with the information at hand.
Elizabeth Edwards was on Wait Wait...Don't Tell Me! a couple months ago and seemed like such an amazing woman. Somebody made a comment about some weird animal they have in North Carolina and Peter Sagal was like "not to mention the infamous North Carolina weasel" and everyone (including Elizabeth) was like HAH.
I think it says a lot that she could laugh about it on national radio. It is horrible that he put her through such a thing but I think it is better that he help raise that child than keeping her a secret and remaining distant. I have read too many heartbreaking things about children who were their father's "other" family.
@gaudette: I see your point that it is in the interest of the little girl to be closer to her father and develop a more meaningful relationship with him.
HOWEVER, I get a real creepy vibe from this. Like Rielle Hunter is now waiting in the wings a block or two away, waiting for Elizabeth to shuffle off this mortal coil and hop in to the 28,000 square foot house and be Mom #2. "Friends" of Hunter's told various media outlets when the news of the affair and baby first broke that she had talked about how she and John had discussed how they would get married when Elizabeth died. Now granted who knows how reliable these friends might be, but ever since then I've had a feeling that this woman is a vulture.
@keldo: Yeah, but let's not forget that the National Enquirer discovered the affair first and they've been right about everything about this story at every last turn.
@linnyt is a walking cliché: You know I sympathized with her a lot thinking she's very ill she doesn't want to spend the last years of her life working through a divorce but at this point nothing would make me happier than to see come out and brand him a huge asshole and then take the kids and go sail the Mediterranean eating good food and sleeping with hot greek men while John changes nappies with Rielle.
@linnyt is a walking cliché: It sucks that the right thing to do - participate in his child's upbringing - is going to hurt his already-shit-upon wife.
On a related note, there's an ongoing case in Wisconsin where four women have been charged with kidnapping and abusing a man because they discovered he was sleeping with all of them. (One of the four was his wife.) Elizabeth Edwards should hire them to work on John.
@PhillyLass: They caught him. I think he was really more of a "spree" killer. He shot five or six people in like a month including a sixteen year old girl.
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Please come home Capt. Baby Izzie needs to know you better. #camplejeune
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Good luck guys. #camplejeune
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Please bring this soldier, and all of the other soldiers fighting this unwinnable war over oil, home. His baby girl needs him.
Respectfully,
Escalade #camplejeune
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For example, Saddam's Oil for Food program was a notoriously corrupt, fairly efficient way of getting Iraq's oil to the West, and Saddam had proven plenty of willingness to play ball with us in the past. Secular strong-men are convenient like that. If we simply wanted profits from Iraq's oil, which of the following ways strikes you as a better way to get it:
1) Launch an incredibly costly war that will decimate Iraq's infrastructure and cost far, far, far more than any marginal difference in oil profits you'd get by 'cutting out the middle-man'?
2) Strike a deal with Saddam?
Or, hey, how about:
3) Realize that oil is a fungible commodity, and so who pumps it out of the ground usually isn't the real issue. As one secret classified intelligence source They Don't Want You To Know About (Wikipedia) puts it:
"Fungibility is the property of a good or a commodity whose individual units are capable of mutual substitution. Examples of highly fungible commodities are crude oil, wheat, orange juice ... "
Along with your 'wearing your politics on your sleeve' username, this is the sort of unthinking liberalism that gives the rest of us liberals a bad name. It's a homemade Chimpy McBusHitler sign as a substitute for grappling with the actual issues at hand.
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Off to go change my screenname now to Chimpy McBusHitler. Or maybe FungibleCommodity. That has such a nice ring to it.
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My goal is less to change your mind, per se, than to not let such statements pass by unchallenged. There's one of you; there are dozens of people in the peanut gallery. Hopefully if any of them have any question in their mind as to whether or not we're in a war over oil, they can look at your statement, look at mine, and sort things out for themselves.
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Seriously, though: Thank goodness for cogent arguments like yours. If I may speak for all the other Unthinking Liberals in the peanut gallery, how else would we get our information? I personally might have gone on like this for years had you not taken the time set me straight. Because, you know, I'm too busy being an enemy of liberty and freedom to read the newspaper. (Oh, dear...which, come to think of it, is controlled by Unthinking Liberal Media Elites!)
Should I not respond to you again from here on out, please don't be sad. It's likely I'm off at a pro-war rally with other Thinking Liberals like you. See ya there! And to all you other Unthinking Liberals who may still not have made up your minds: Hope you'll join me!
Kisses,
Chimpy McBus Hitler (Still love that name!)
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Sort of, but Monty Python did it better. www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOOTKA0aGI0 #camplejeune
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Again, he's still a giant ass, but I don't think we can fairly accuse him of exposing her to potential disease with the information at hand.
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I think it says a lot that she could laugh about it on national radio. It is horrible that he put her through such a thing but I think it is better that he help raise that child than keeping her a secret and remaining distant. I have read too many heartbreaking things about children who were their father's "other" family.
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HOWEVER, I get a real creepy vibe from this. Like Rielle Hunter is now waiting in the wings a block or two away, waiting for Elizabeth to shuffle off this mortal coil and hop in to the 28,000 square foot house and be Mom #2. "Friends" of Hunter's told various media outlets when the news of the affair and baby first broke that she had talked about how she and John had discussed how they would get married when Elizabeth died. Now granted who knows how reliable these friends might be, but ever since then I've had a feeling that this woman is a vulture.
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I guess John Edwards wanting to be part of the kid's life is the least he can do since he denied she was his forever.
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