dammit! at some point, Kentucky will do something not stupid (like buzzing the White House, picking Bush/McCain by 10 points or more). And I won't have to shield my Kentucky pride with copies of Wendell Berry books.
K-LO always makes her position about abortion. What bothers me, as a Catholic, is that she always writes about how ALL Catholics HAVE to vote for McCain because of the abortion issue.
I wrote her once about this, pointing out the numerous McCain policies that go against the Catholic doctrine (i.e. social justice, war, etc.). She actually wrote back and gave me the line about "gravest sin" blah blah. I then responded letting her know thereare other presidential candidates that are more inline with all Catholic doctrine like the Constitution Party and that I would like to find out what third party she will soon be supporting.
Lopez: There is no Bill Buckley or Ronald Reagan conservative running for president. But doesn't McCain-Palin come closest?
Noonan: This question seems to me wrongheaded, or perhaps I mean not so realistic, in this sense. I said in a speech to Republicans down south about a year ago that if it were 1885, and Republicans were sitting around saying, 'When will another Lincoln come?' and 'Is this candidate Lincolnesque?' you would sit in the back of the hall and think: These people are sad. Life moves, new leaders must rise, and adapt to and operate within new realities. And I think some conservatives, or Republicans, still have to wake up on this. About five years ago I told the editor of the New York Times that when Jack Kennedy ran for president, Democrats didn't run around asking, "Is he the new FDR?" Democrats just wanted JFK to be the new JFK - and so did Kennedy. At any rate I do not judge McCain as more or less like Reagan. You must judge him as McCain. And you must understand 2008 to be 2008, and not, say, 1986. And at the end of the day you must judge the parties the candidates bring with them, and the philosophies that to whatever degree infuse those parties.
Yeah Peggy. You tell 'em! Welcome to the 21st century, neocons. Get with the program.
Meh. I'll always love Ms. Noonan for her work on the West Wing (pariticularily her interviews on the DVDs). She's a smart cookie, and I refuse to discriminate against people because of their political viewpoints.
I like to look at it this way: Just because most crazies are conservative doesn't mean that all conservatives are crazy. I view religion the same way, so I'll even look past her god statement (although really, these days, compassionate liberalism sticks closer to the tenants of the Bible than neo-conservatism does).
You know, some of my best friends are conservatives. I am a bleeding heart liberal Democrat with a genetic incapability of pulling the Republican lever, and my conservative friends know this. Yet we are oddly able to discuss politics about which we disagree and disagree passionately, and we're able to do it without completely fucking ripping out the heart of our friendships.
I have to respect thoughtful people, regardless of whether their political affiliations and beliefs run starkly counter to my own. Peggy Noon included. It's not easy to pose questions to your own madding herd, to stop and ask the party of your choice the ever-important question, "What The Fuck?" And Peggy Noonan (and Christopher Buckley and Kathleen Parker and Colin Powell and many, many others) have done just that this election.
Nothing wrong with a little free thinking--and from what little I understand, that freedom to think is one ideological point upon which both true liberals and true conservatives can agree.
I have MET this crazy bitch--she used to go to my little Catholic high school.
My liberal (and--for other reasons--awesome) history teacher invited her to come; this was when she was associate editor (if I remember correctly) at the National Review. She talked about how she got a professor fired from Catholic University (I THINK he was a priest, which would make it a little less repulsive) b/c he wasn't working according to church doctrine.
And then she said she'd love it if Jeb Bush ran for Prez.
Part of me regrets not giving it to her (it was junior year of HS, didn't want to be rude and embarrass my teacher, and didn't know what to say or who she was)...the other part is still just flabbergasted.
Peggy Noonan trying to talk to anyone about intellectual honesty is hysterical in it's hypocrisy; she's the one who still thinks Reagan (the traitor) was a good President.
I like Noonan, because she is thoughtful. But I can't hold truck with the religous argument for conservatism. To say that and mean it is like saying democratic arguements are all based on the gay agenda. Just kind of dumb.
I disagree with Noonan about the wonderfulness of conservatism, but I do appreciate that she challenged K-Lo on this, because it is ruining this country (since, unforch, they are in charge right now).
does K-Lo not realize that having to hang onto the idea of "Our guy is our guy because he is our guy regardless of anything else" does nothing but expose the fact that "their guy" has not a platform to stand on and only has the support of other conservatives because theres no one else for them to back? its just so painfully obvious that they have nothing to stand or fall back on, and no amount of idealogical bullying is going to make that go away.
@morninggloria: yup. this would also explain the extreme push towards anti intellectualism, because if you are an academic or intellectual, chances are you see through the bullshit that is religion, and consequently, conservativism.
@anonymiss: I wondered this morning if the fundies who are praying for McCain will question god once Obama wins? Will they believe that god was on the other side?
@anonymiss: does K-Lo not realize that having to hang onto the idea of "Our guy is our guy because he is our guy regardless of anything else" does nothing but expose the fact that "their guy" has not a platform to stand on and only has the support of other conservatives because theres no one else for them to back?
I find that element of their party so tiresome. Especially when you're disagreeing with them and the only line they have is, "If this were a Democrat, you'd react differently." No, if this was a Democrat, you would be the one responding differently. We've pretty much proven ourselves to be critical of our own side, possibly to a fault. It's such a lazy argument, not to mention it kind of shouts out loud that you haven't been paying attention.
@NOLA girl: Ha! That's like the other end of my question: Will the morons who think black people are poised to take over when he wins feel silly when they realize we haven't taken their homes or jobs the next day, or will they be on pins and needles until he leaves office? Probably not. People who insist on silly theories like those can't be bothered with logic. They'll just find some other ignorant idea to latch onto.
I imagine if Obama wins, it'll be proof that he's the antichrist and the apocalypse is nigh. Bottled water and canned goods will be sold out in a matter of hours.
I have to say, my respect for Peggy Noonan has grown. Granted, it had nowhere to go but up, but I like how she's stood her ground against the rabid "you're with McCain or you're a godless terrorist" crowd.
Megan - with you on this one - it's PRECISELY the God thing that has lost the GOP. I predict Lizzie Dole will pay for her ridiculous attack ads tomorrow too. The religious right IS NOT the majority in this country. Pro-lifers are not.
@sybann: And I think that the more of the crazy religious views you throw into the "you must think this to be Republican" basket, the fewer people are willing to hop in.
@morninggloria: Yep - if they don't reboot, they're in major trouble. And I say this as a believer - in separation of church and state as well as a higher power.
Anyone remember that cartoon typewriter that used to teach kids how to spell on Sesame Street? Remember how he had squeaky wheels and rolled around saying "Nooo-nee-noo-nee-noo"? That's what I picture when I picture Peggy Noonan. A typewriter on wheels.
I was discussing Noonan this morning with my wife, and her take is that someone who can actually distill ideas into understandable speech is not a buzzer of words, but a writer.
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I wrote her once about this, pointing out the numerous McCain policies that go against the Catholic doctrine (i.e. social justice, war, etc.). She actually wrote back and gave me the line about "gravest sin" blah blah. I then responded letting her know thereare other presidential candidates that are more inline with all Catholic doctrine like the Constitution Party and that I would like to find out what third party she will soon be supporting.
Needless to say, now response that time.
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Also, if I remember correctly (long years since HS) no life is more important than another. So I don't get her 'gravest sin' browhaha.
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Lopez: There is no Bill Buckley or Ronald Reagan conservative running for president. But doesn't McCain-Palin come closest?
Noonan: This question seems to me wrongheaded, or perhaps I mean not so realistic, in this sense. I said in a speech to Republicans down south about a year ago that if it were 1885, and Republicans were sitting around saying, 'When will another Lincoln come?' and 'Is this candidate Lincolnesque?' you would sit in the back of the hall and think: These people are sad. Life moves, new leaders must rise, and adapt to and operate within new realities. And I think some conservatives, or Republicans, still have to wake up on this. About five years ago I told the editor of the New York Times that when Jack Kennedy ran for president, Democrats didn't run around asking, "Is he the new FDR?" Democrats just wanted JFK to be the new JFK - and so did Kennedy. At any rate I do not judge McCain as more or less like Reagan. You must judge him as McCain. And you must understand 2008 to be 2008, and not, say, 1986. And at the end of the day you must judge the parties the candidates bring with them, and the philosophies that to whatever degree infuse those parties.
Yeah Peggy. You tell 'em! Welcome to the 21st century, neocons. Get with the program.
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I like to look at it this way: Just because most crazies are conservative doesn't mean that all conservatives are crazy. I view religion the same way, so I'll even look past her god statement (although really, these days, compassionate liberalism sticks closer to the tenants of the Bible than neo-conservatism does).
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I have to respect thoughtful people, regardless of whether their political affiliations and beliefs run starkly counter to my own. Peggy Noon included. It's not easy to pose questions to your own madding herd, to stop and ask the party of your choice the ever-important question, "What The Fuck?" And Peggy Noonan (and Christopher Buckley and Kathleen Parker and Colin Powell and many, many others) have done just that this election.
Nothing wrong with a little free thinking--and from what little I understand, that freedom to think is one ideological point upon which both true liberals and true conservatives can agree.
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My liberal (and--for other reasons--awesome) history teacher invited her to come; this was when she was associate editor (if I remember correctly) at the National Review. She talked about how she got a professor fired from Catholic University (I THINK he was a priest, which would make it a little less repulsive) b/c he wasn't working according to church doctrine.
And then she said she'd love it if Jeb Bush ran for Prez.
Part of me regrets not giving it to her (it was junior year of HS, didn't want to be rude and embarrass my teacher, and didn't know what to say or who she was)...the other part is still just flabbergasted.
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"The Bible is true because it says in the Bible that the Bible is true."
Replace "the Bible" with "our guy" (and rearrange some of the words) and voila, the modern GOP.
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I find that element of their party so tiresome. Especially when you're disagreeing with them and the only line they have is, "If this were a Democrat, you'd react differently." No, if this was a Democrat, you would be the one responding differently. We've pretty much proven ourselves to be critical of our own side, possibly to a fault. It's such a lazy argument, not to mention it kind of shouts out loud that you haven't been paying attention.
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I imagine if Obama wins, it'll be proof that he's the antichrist and the apocalypse is nigh. Bottled water and canned goods will be sold out in a matter of hours.
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No, I am not drunk.
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I think Noonan is mad.