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malo-ji
11/21/09

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Let's see ... if she herself made the tapes when she was 'under 18', isn't she aware that she SHOULD be charged for creating child porn.

At least that what some teens are being charged with for sexting.

'Prejean Behind Bars' ... coming soon (so to speak) to pay-per-view TV this Spring in a hotel near you.
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KATE!
11/19/09

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When discussing the tape(s) on the View she said "Christians aren't perfect" and boy, oh boy, is that true. But that seems to be the go-to line for moralistic evangelicals AFTER they've been exposed for sexual hypocrisy. before that, they herald themselves as the saviors of morality and family values. If the evangelical movement would embrace their own sexuality, things like this wouldn't have to discredit them. but for some reason they maintain that honest and open attitudes towards human sexuality is incompatible with family values.
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sheislingling
11/20/09

@KATE!: "If the evangelical movement would embrace their own sexuality, things like this wouldn't have to discredit them. but for some reason they maintain that honest and open attitudes towards human sexuality is incompatible with family values."

I don't think that's fair. One can support waiting for sex until marriage (the viewpoint most associated with evangelicals) and still be honest about and unafraid of sex.

In an article on this topic, an evangelical pastor named Wirth talked about the book of the Bible called Song of Songs, which is quite sexual and beautiful, and then said, "I don't think sex was created in the back alleys of the porn industry. I really think God is the one who designed it and it's a beautiful thing and God wants us to enjoy it."
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KATE!
11/20/09

@sheislingling: but they aren't just advocating for pre-marital abstinence among evangelicals (which there is absolutely nothing wrong with), but try to impose their values on a secular culture through legislative and media campaigns (such as abstinence only education or focus on the family boycotts of "immoral" culture). for evangelicals, the "cleaning up" of secular culture is a part of the agenda/platform in the name of family values (which is political) and god (which is religious). when i say they should embrace their own sexuality i mean not only should they admit that not only do they not have a monopoly on the creation of values, but that sometimes they do not even measure up to the high standards they seek to set for the whole of society. us secular folks do feel a little twinge of self-satisfaction when a moralist is exposed for sexual hypocrisy because its an indirect admittance that sexual "morality" isn't as black and white as many evangelicals would want you to believe.

and im familiar with the song of songs. but im sure that pastor only finds certain types of sexual relationships in certain contexts to be beautiful, ie. monogamous, heterosexual sex within the confines of marriage.
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sheislingling
11/20/09

@KATE!: all true. remember, though, that secular culture isn't devoid of value judgments. we (myself included) often speak of evangelical advocacy as an imposition on an otherwise largely morally neutral culture in which (were it not for ideological encroachments) we'd all be free to make up our own minds about things like sex. it's a myth to say that a culture with totally privatized religion isn't imposing a set of values.

i don't mean to say that anyone's totally right here- i'm just trying to add some nuance to the way we view evangelical culture.

#tips
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IamnotStarJones
11/19/09

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It's too bad that bigot is being subjected to bigotry. What a world we live in.
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I_can_still_pitch
11/19/09

@IamnotStarJones: Now I can tell my kids "Sometimes, life is fair."
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OneTwoPunch
11/19/09

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Sigh. So stereotypical. The most outspoken extremists are always the closet freaks. Is it the repressive public persona they present to the world which causes them to short-circuit? Truly, and odd phenomenon.
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LexiD523
11/19/09

@OneTwoPunch: It's only because normal people are open about their freakiness ;)
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DutchessOfDork
11/19/09

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Awww! She's a slut just like the rest of us!
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DutchessOfDork
11/19/09

@DutchessOfDork: DISCLAIMER: I don't actually think she's a slut. I am the last person that should be judging her on those things, but the vid thing is the type of thing that "sluts" do according to the moralistic highhorse assholes.
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whynotshesaid
11/19/09

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I am trying really hard to work up some sympathy for her. Trying...so...hard...wait, wait, there's something going on! Is it...

Oh. It's the half-wheel of Brie I ate for lunch. Never mind.

Yep, no sympathy from me.
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EkaterinaBallerina
11/19/09

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My issue with Prejean, beyond the homophobia, is that like Britney and the ilk before her, she set herself up for the fall in the first place. She went on a media firestorm attacking other people's so-called immorality knowing full well that those tapes existed and could be released to damage her. Do I think it's right that the only purpose those tapes are serving is to damage her? No, because I hate the fact that sex tapes only serve to damage the women in them, not the men. But at the same time she considered herself someone who had to the right to pass judgment on the sex lives of others when she knew full well that she had no right to.

As for the comparison to Ensign, Sanford, Gingrich--I don't give a fuck if they want to be adulterers with loose morals. I've never cared about the philandering of politicians. What do I care is that they not act like paragons of good values and morals when they're not. I do care when they think they have the right to judge others when they are truly no better, and often times, infinitely worse.
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SparklyTempest
11/19/09

@EkaterinaBallerina: You make excellent points. However, regarding your point that "sex tapes only serve to damage the women in them, not the men" I would like to point out that the tapes seem to be (from reports, I have not seen them) tapes she made of herself and sent to him. I don't think he was in them or involved in their production, so it shouldn't really be something that damages him.
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EkaterinaBallerina
11/19/09

@SparklyTempest: Releasing private tapes, regardless of whether or not he was involved in them, doesn't exactly make him look good.
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SparklyTempest
11/19/09

@EkaterinaBallerina: No, it doesn't. However, I think the fact that he wasn't in them or involved in making them is important to keep in mind. His being horrible in releasing them is a separate issue.
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willwriteforfood
11/19/09

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I actually think she DID do something wrong: She set herself up as a paragon of virtue who had a right to judge the private sex lives of other adults and rule on their morality, using just her Manichean view of the world. "You are bad because you have gay sex. I am good because I don't." Hell, she even said she was proud not to have any gay friends.

But the adage about glass houses and stones isn't an adage for nothing. When you judge so fiercely and loudly, then you better make damn sure you're not just a hypocrite with an agenda and a book to shill. 'Cause you make yourself plenty of enemies with plenty of daggers. And you will reap what you sow.
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Sputnik_Sweetheart
11/19/09

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I'm so torn. On the one hand, I am very much against releasing a sex tape without someone's permission. She made them trusting that he wouldn't share them. On the other hand, as they say, karma's a bitch.
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Cimorene
11/19/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: The tape shouldn't be released. It would be pretty much sexual harassment (at the least), in my opinion, if a sex tape was released without her permission.

But karma is a bitch. The thing is, it's biting her in the ass now. The tape doesn't need to be released--merely the presence of the tape is enough to identify her as a hypocrite. So I hope it never gets released.
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schlegs84
11/19/09

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Poor Prejean, bigots are really the WORST besties. One day you're braiding each other's hair and the next they're de-friending you on facebook, hanging tampons on your locker and writing about you in their burn book.
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funzette
11/19/09

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Coming soon: Seacrest/Prejean

A man-about-town celebrity journalist craving legitimacy leverages his career for the story of a lifetime : An five-part interview with the Fallen Beacon of the Silent Majority.

"I gave 'em a sex tape. And they stuck it in their dvd players, and they replayed it with relish. And I guess if I had been in their position, I'd have done the same thing."

also:

"If the beauty queen does it, that means it's not immoral!"
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sportz.star
11/19/09

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Just wait, she's just setting herself up to be redeemed and/or saved by her church/personal savior/faith/belief that gay people are despicable and that she's a victim. I foresee a second book, television show and DVD series on overcoming adversity through prayer and a good PR team.
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whynotshesaid
11/19/09

@sportz.star: Bingo. If she's smart - and I'm not saying that she is - she'll parlay this into a full-fledged career as a professional reformed sinner.

And then she can take her place on the ZZZ-list alongside fellow Christocelebs Kirk Cameron and Stephen Baldwin.
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eatsshootsleaves
11/19/09

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Honestly, I hate her views on gay and lesbian couples, but I feel bad for her. An ex has (or at least had) compromising photos of me -- it's usually something done in the heat of the moment that you regret later. Maybe because of that, I feel really uncomfortable with liberal (and now conservative) commentators saying that because she has a sex tape, she loses credibility as a defender of morality. She clearly doesn't have a moral position on gay rights, but her sex tape has nothing to do with it. Her views are wrong, but not, in my opinion, hypocritical.

We need to get over this idea that having a sex tape is somehow scandalous or immoral. People have sex. Sometimes, this causes them to not think rationally. It happens.
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femme-bot
11/19/09

@eatsshootsleaves: I thought she was solo on one of the tapes?
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Lou
11/19/09

@eatsshootsleaves: For me, it's more that she is fine to judge others on some "Christian" scale of morality, spreading hate about gays and acting like they are somehow lesser people because they are sinners or something. But by her own Biblical standards (not by regular standards), what she did was amoral, and she is a sinner. Are there people out there saying she should not be afforded equal civil rights over this? No because that's ridiculous. But somehow it's ok to deny equal rights to gays because some people deem them lesser people due to some f'ed up so-called "Christian" code they can't even live by themselves. That's why I don't feel bad for her at all.
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JRae
11/19/09

@eatsshootsleaves: Technically according to the bible, which is what she quotes to defend her anti-gay views, any sort of sex or sexual activity outside of marriage is a sin. So, she says being gay is a sin, and yet here she is, being as sinful as the people she was condemning.

That is why she lost her moral high ground. And it is hypocritical to use the Bible as a weapon one second, and then to ignore it the next when it suits your own purposes.

I agree with you that according to MY morals she did nothing wrong. But we're talking about according to HER morals. According to HER morals, she is absolutely a hypocrite.
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eatsshootsleaves
11/19/09

@femme-bot: Yeah, I think she's solo on all of the tapes, actually (though I'm not a hundred percent sure, since I haven't been following this story closely). Why does that make a difference?
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femme-bot
11/19/09

@eatsshootsleaves: I guess it makes a difference if she filmed it by herself. It's not really a heat of the moment thing. And as JRae said above, it does make her a hypocrite.
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Red-headed bookworm
11/19/09

@eatsshootsleaves: I think the controversy is more that she condemns pornography in her book while having made her own sex tapes.
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eatsshootsleaves
11/19/09

@Red-headed bookworm: Did she really? That's the greatest thing I've heard about all of this.

(Also. The rest of you. Good points.)
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ElleS'appelleElsa
11/19/09

@eatsshootsleaves: I suppose the bible says you can't masturbate (I'm not well-versed in the bible so if one of you know the exact location of that message, let us know!) because it's "sex" that's not for the purpose of procreation.
Also it's been said that nowhere in the bible does it state that homosexuality is a sin or that Jesus hated homosexuals. I think. I realize this may not be helpful but I wanted to put that out there- dang being at work prevents me from citing my sources!
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alula
11/19/09

@ElleS'appelleElsa: When people talk about whether masturbation is forbidden in the Bible, I usually hear them cite Genesis 38, in which Onan "spills his seed" on the ground, or a couple of vague New Testament passages. One, amusingly, is Paul using the exact same word that frequently gets rendered as "homosexuality" in modern translations: malakoi arsenokoitai. Other people will argue that, via Paul (so often it comes back to Paul!) the wife's body "belongs" to her husband and vice versa, so using it for one's own pleasure is wrong, or, more simply, that masturbation inherently involves "lust in the heart" and is thus sinful.

I tend to think masturbation, and sex in general, was way down on Jesus' priority list, and the obsession with sexual purity as being central to Christianity is bizarre and harmful.

ReligiousTolerance.org is usually good for a quick scan of relevant scripture.
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Leucadia
11/19/09

@alula: I sometimes think that if Jesus Christ came back to earth and made clear, definitive statements on how he envisioned God and love, and it differed from the American fundamentalist version, they would disown him in a hot minute. "Well, that's not MY Jesus!" They'd start worshipping Paul instead.
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wtfox?!
11/19/09

@Leucadia: Oh, they totally would. One of the very entertaining things I recall from my days in hell/Southern Baptist private school is that people would quote from a Pauline epistle and say it was something Christ said.
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Crabby Cakes
11/19/09

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I just don't understand how you can go out there and be all sanctimonious when you KNOW these skeletons are clawing their way out of your closet.
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femme-bot
11/19/09

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Awww. The republicans don't want her because she's "tainted" by porn. The liberals don't want her because she's a homophobic headcase.
Will she leave now??
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