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Political Party Girl
07/09/09

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I don't know, Latoya, with the real estate market crash, you may want to demand cash reparations. It's true that a pound of flesh won't have much value, but 40 acres and a mule just doesn't go as far as it used to either.
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Devonna
07/09/09

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This was an exceptionally awesome crappy hour, btw.
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ellaesther
07/09/09

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Also, I meant to say that Megan's comments about "patterns of isolated incidents," at the 9:36 and 9:37 marks, are so, so smart (as smart as the funny ones were funny! But I promise not to break anything this time), and I will be importing them directly into my brain, because it's just so well-put.

Thank you!
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Lymed
07/09/09

@ellaesther: Her comments are something that any person who has felt oppression finds familiar.
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Sputnik_Sweetheart
07/09/09

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"Our Judeo-Christian heritage is an essential foundation stone of our great nation and should not be held hostage to yet another effort to place guilt on future Americans for the sins of some of their ancestors."

Um, what? Seriously, I want to say something about how we are NOT a nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles or any other religious principles, but I think the above quote broke my brain. So, yeah. No more intelligent, coherent thought from me for the time being. I like string.
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Lymed
07/09/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: Well, we are a nation founded on Judeo-Christian principles. That doesn't mean that religion should be a part of governing or all of the religions' principles are a part of our country. But it is hard to deny that the founding documents had language that was influenced by the founders' religion.
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Sputnik_Sweetheart
07/09/09

@Lymed:George Washington explicitly stated that the US was not founded on Judeo-Christian principles:

"The government of the United States is not in any sense founded on the Christian religion…"

And many of the prominent founding fathers were atheists, agnostics, and critics of organized religion.

[www.nytimes.com]
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Lymed
07/09/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: I think we may differ in our definition of what it means to be founded on Judeo-Christian principles. I don't think it means the country was founded on the religion or that the religion is in any way a part of the country or its infrastructure. But I believe some of the principles of the value system of Christianity was brought into the founding of the country. That doesn't mean it is ok to post the 10 Commandments at a school as related to the founding documents. It doesn't mean we are a Christian nation.
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Sputnik_Sweetheart
07/09/09

@Lymed: But while different religions have different beliefs, they often have a similar moral code or value system. For example, many religions (some of which were around longer or independently of Christianity) have their own version of the ethic of reciprocity: karma, the silver rule, the law of return, and the golden rule, just to name a few. Many of the founding fathers didn't strongly identify with Christianity and considered themselves Humanists, so I don't think it is fair to say that they were influenced by Christian values, per se.

But I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. :)
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Little Green Frog (Wise Latina)
07/09/09

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"he wanted $1 million for Ensign having fucked his wife"

So he's Woody Harrelson, Ensign is Robert Redford, and Tom Coburn is Oliver Platt.
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Maritsa
07/09/09

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My stomach hurts after reading about the murder of Marwa el-Sherbini. That poor woman and her family, my God. And in a courtroom - WTF? Are there no metal detectors in German courtrooms? No pat-downs? If there's one place you need that stuff, it's courthouses.

Between that and the story out of Philly where a country club turned away a group of African-American children, I'm just calling it a day.
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ellaesther
07/09/09

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Ok, fundamentalist Christians (and fundamentalists of any stripe, while I'm at it):

God gave you a brain. In Deuteronomy, He even calls on you to "love the Lord you God with all your heart, soul, AND MIND." He expects you to use it, and if you makes mistakes (like, oh, I don't know, SLAVERY?), it's your bad.

And though I wrote this elsewhere, and thus am repeating myself, I think it bears repeating:

We cannot be both a Christian nation, and the United States of America.

Pick one.
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ellaesther
07/09/09

@ellaesther: "the Lord YOUR God."

Sheesh.
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Little Green Frog (Wise Latina)
07/09/09

@ellaesther: "if you make mistakes (like, oh, I don't know, SLAVERY?), it's your bad."

Exactly, it's called FREE WILL.
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Lymed
07/09/09

@ellaesther: You don't understand, by "all your mind" God means to completely give your mind over and stop thinking
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CollegeCamel
07/09/09

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Ew ew ew why did I click on the naked Italian link???
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tscheese
07/09/09

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I would really love to know what's going on in that photo of George W and Friends in crazy Star Trek: TOS pajamas, complete with funky foam-rubber 60s props.
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Megan
07/09/09

@tscheese: It's actually at the APEC summit, every year they get the heads of state to wear traditional garb. That was Vietnam's year.
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Lymed
07/09/09

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I always imagine that Rep. Peter King really hates it when Rep. Steve King does things like this...because I bet he gets some nasty phone calls mistaking the Kings.
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ellaesther
07/09/09

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Momentarily stopping my reading to say:

Plus, in King's case, that pound would be really, really bitter and probably not have any resale value. It would taste of the slow decline of white male privilege, hate and dill. Just because I hate dill.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...!!!!

Quite possibly the funniest thing I've read or heard in months!!!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA...!!!

Ok, going back to read now!
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ellaesther
07/09/09

@ellaesther: Oh dear. My laughter broke it!

I'm sorry Jeze-goddesses! I'll put up a plaque in which I acknowledge your role in my breaking of the comments!
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BearDownCBears
07/09/09

@ellaesther: Stop wrecking the internet.
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ellaesther
07/09/09

@BearDownCBears: Oh HAI, BearDown! For some reason, Gawker media de-hearted you for me, so I have just set that to rights.

And also: Ok. I'll try. It's just that the internet was really asking for it.
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Pieces of Pi
07/09/09

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The whole Ensign thing was so over-shadowed by the Gov. Sanford-hiking-in-the-Appalachians-but-really-in-Argentina thing, and then Sarah Palin for which I was grateful. Because the John Ensign "scandal" made me cringe, 19 year old son of a staffer who he was involved with being hired as a policy expert... nothing suspicious about that at all...

I would also like to never hear from Sarah Palin, unless this above mentioned OLN show becomes reality, cause let's face it, it would be all sorts of awesome.
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Lymed
07/09/09

@Pieces of Pi and her vagabond dreams: he basically took away a family's income by having and ending the affair.
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Pieces of Pi
07/09/09

@Lymed: Ya, that's part of the sad reality of it, I guess I never really considered that. An unfortunate event on all counts.
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Lymed
07/09/09

@Pieces of Pi and her vagabond dreams: I imagine the husband wanted to publicly shame him more than he wanted the money, but was wondering how the hell he and his wife were going to find work.
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BearDownCBears
07/09/09

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Lula looks like he's listening quite uncomfortably to Obama telling a dirty joke about big breasts.
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argle-bargle? or fou-ferraw?
07/09/09

@BearDownCBears: 'she's got huuuuge... tracts of land!'

i'm glad you went there. i needed a laugh.
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morninggloria
07/09/09

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It would be really meta for Steve King the writer to write a book about Steve King the congressman being terrorized and eventually murdered to death by the ghosts of slaves who built the US Capitol.

King (writer King), if you're reading this, get on it.
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NefariousNewt
07/09/09

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Sarah Palin resigned to be Berlusconi's new mistress -- I wrote it on the Internet, so it must be true.
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Lymed
07/09/09

@NefariousNewt: too late, I already wrote on the internet that Sarah Palin is Maria from Argentina
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