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Mumbai Still Burning, World Still Turning
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11/25/09
can you imagine if someone said that to you in all seriousness? how dare you be so blatantly small minded.
the fact that 6 MILLION jews were murdered just 69 years ago is enough of a reason for jews and the rest of the world to feel uneasy about their treatment. (I only add that because YOU mentioned the shoah). and this of course besides the fact that they were American like karin barron so keenly pointed out.
you have a lot to learn. intolerance leads to nothing.
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@AtelierCeleste:
Grief is not a zero sum game.
Deemer was pointing out a story that moved her (him? deemer, sorry). The story of Rivka and Gavriel was compelling, along with many others on that day-- husband and wife, she six months pregnant, young son that was carried to safety by another, and the funeral was televised. Just because one story in particular brought you to tears does not mean you do not greive for all of the victims.
11/25/09
I must admit I felt quite disgusted by the singling out of one couple from the many who died on that day and wondered if this is yet another case of exceptionalism. As though other people's lives were less than this particular couple.
Anyway, carry on.
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Because I'm black, does that mean that I'm only going to sympathize or 'identify' with black people who are victims of mass violence (not half as bothered about the 'other' victims)?
Is this not.....wrong?
11/25/09
A pregnant mother dies, and you're pregnant. A husband/ wife dies and you're a newlywed. A college student is murdered, and you have a daughter that just started college far from home. Etc, Etc.
I didn't say anything about race. I'm talking about the situation/ life story of the individual.
11/25/09
I think the reason why this was so highly promoted was because they wee AMERICAN. They were from Brooklyn. Other people died, yes; it was a tragedy. But they were one of the few Americans. They mentioned other Americans who died as well, but what was as mesmerizing as that poor boy screaming for his mother? It's about ratings.
And how the hell can the US be "pro Jewish"? There are ews everywhere, all over the world. The US just tends to side with the Israeli government, even if the Israeli goverment is acting abhorrently.
ANYWAY, i can't remember who said it, but I totally agree - people identify with different things. I am sure some identifified with the people captured at the hotel. Others with the children. It all depends on your life situation.
Also, India is one of the few countries where Jews have never had any problems, except during certain occupations. To have Jews singled out in a normally-tolerant country was shocking. Which brings me to the final thing, there are so few Jews there, this was hugely shocking.
11/25/09
And the other deaths were not 'hugely shocking'?
Rly?
Again, the point is being missed.
Why are we viewing this through the lens of the Jewish experience? 'India is the only country where Jews have never had any problems', what does this have to do with the fact that a GRAND TOTAL of 166 people died?
How many 'other' little babies were crying for their parents? Moreover, I'm sure the 164 'other' people who died were confident they were living in a 'normally tolerant' country as well.
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11/28/08
And why is no one talking about the threats against Paris from last week? Al Queda threatened widespread attacks against Paris, France.
The news of India is making me afraid to take a trip there in 2009 and it's something I've wanted to do my whole life. I hope this ends soon for the sake of the victims.
11/28/08
Does Arkansas have the death penalty?
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I really hope the attackers were not trained in Pakistan (that is the latest rumor). The relationship between the two countries is not great.
11/28/08
where is that vodka.
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UM, NO - not taking minisparks. Not going now!
You don't need a therapist. You are an awesome human with a soul; a pilgrim one, no less.
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I mean, I've been in a bad mood for weeks now for personal reasons too so I'm sure that's part of it, but for some reaon, this poor two year old kid who got carried out of Chabad House with a backward glance at his two my-age parents lying dead on the floor and the complete atmosphere of chaos being conveyed by the news is driving me to drink. at 11:30 a.m.
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@sarah.of.a.lesser.god.prepares.to.welcome.her.new.ovumlord: I actually had the fun task of explaining what was going on yesterday to minisparks. I turned on MSNBC & was like, oh no. I told minisparks some bad people who shooting everyone in Mumbai. She repeated it & said, why? I said I wasn't really sure, but they want people to pay attention to them.
Here's some food for thought. I have decided that every time an adult wants to do something hideous, they should have to turn around & explain it to a child.
minisparks said, 'why do grown-ups always get so mad & be mean? If they wanted something, why don't they talk about it? That's what I have to do at school. And why do they hurt other people? That's sad.'
WORD, minisparks. W.O.R.D.
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I had a similar reaction after 9/11, and got accused of being an apathetic over-privileged little brat, so this tends to be a sore point with me.
11/28/08
Not that atrocities don't happen every day without mention in the media, but this case really strikes a nerve.
11/28/08
do I think people are mean/uncaring? well, I did term my own anger attacks "irrational/unfair." I do get surprised, though, at the silence. I do wonder sometimes about how much people care... I want to think they do, but I don't know how much to assume when I am greeted sunnily on days like this with random commentary about what one ate for dinner last night, for example. I know that's my problem and not the speaker's. Still, it makes me wonder.
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Right now, I'm waiting to get some clearer details on the who and like you, am worried about how that will play out. But that's as far as I've gone with the speculation. The rest of my feelings have been, as I said, shock, sadness, empathy, and fear.
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This is in no way a defense of my reaction, but I think that this sort of situation is so beyond most people's experience that they simply don't know what to say. It doesn't mean they don't care. It really doesn't. And as to people greeting you "...sunnily on days like this with random commentary about what one ate for dinner..." I think that's a combination of possibly not knowing what to say, and the weird, American brand of courtesy, where you don't bring up events like this for fear of making who you're talking to uncomfortable. Is this right? No. Is it really deeply ingrained? Hell, yes.
I don't know if any of this makes any sense, but they're my thoughts on it anyway.
11/28/08
Personally, I think it shows what a warm, tender heart you have that you have been so affected.
11/28/08
Basically, I'm saying don't feel so bad! I think more people are paying attention than you think. And I think there would have been more activity if it hadn't been a holiday. I still think there would have been less than on some others -- partly because of familiarity, partly because of lack of words -- but still more than now.
11/28/08
My best friend lives in India so I am going to email her right now. I have had no internet for the past 36 hours.
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For a therapist, if you have health insurance, call them for referrals. Or, if you are in school, go to the counseling center, as previously mentioned. If neither of these will work, call 211 if it is available in your area, 1-800-273-TALK or 800-SUICIDE. This will direct you to your local crisis line. Just ask them for sliding-scale or low-cost counseling referrals. It is totally OK to call when it is not an emergency. They will probably ask you if you are suicidal, it is no big deal, we usually have to check with everyone just in case. 211 is referral only, so if you don't want to deal with the crisis stuff I'd try that first, but it's not available everywhere yet.
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This isn't to be a flippant "go somewhere else" response (I've wondered about the same thoughts about a lack of response/action on certain posts), but I've learned that I'd much rather have a "quiet" discussion with people who are concerned/can offer something to a thread than be concerned with quantity.
11/28/08
One thing I have learned - some people cannot comprehend mass tragedy. For some it really comes more naturally to relate to an individual tragedy than to internalize something this big. It happens with plane crashes vs a kidnapped child - they are both horrible, but many people will relate emotionally more strongly with the kidnapping. Other people will experience this feeling of bearing the world's pain in a great tragedy - there is actually a German word (I wish I could remember it!!!) for feeling the sadness of the world, sometimes triggered by a large tragic event. It's interesting how our minds work.
You haz that right now, I think, and you need a big giant world-sized hug. I spent tonight watching 2 puppies frolic in Denver's first real snowfall of the season and thought, for all the ugliness out there, there is still so much beauty and joy.
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I don't know if I buy it, but it's an incredibly interesting and persuasive argument.
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Oh yeah!
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ps I had no idea she's in her 50?! She's gorgeous.
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I mean, I know Cuomo is an ass...
11/28/08
NO!!!!! (sorry for the yelling)
He went from a Kennedy to her? She is the worst thing on the Food Network.
11/28/08
Uh oh, I'm going to have to Google.
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When we had TV, it was usually turned to Food Network. I love, love LOVE Giada and Iron Chef. Sandra Lee was iffy-- if I was in the right mood, watching her rave about how easy it is to make whatever from a pack of french onion soup mix and chicken nuggets was entertaining.
From what I understand, her mother was a non-functioning alcoholic and she taught herself to cook by age 9 because she was the eldest and had to take care of her younger siblings on a very, very limited food budget. Ooh! I just wiki'd her and she's from Sumner, Washington. Which explains a lot.
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