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rednrowdy
04/16/09

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i'm so glad to see other people whose parents weren't all that into 'grease' and the change-to-be-loved message. i love the soundtrack, but the show really sucks. the movie has charm for all of the incidentals - beauty school drop out, for one. i always saw myself as frenchy, minus the pink hair.
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seven_cupcakes
04/16/09

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I don't agree with y'all about the message of Grease. Sandy sluts it up yes, but Danny also becomes a jock. They're both trying to be what they think the other wants. When they see each other and realize they've just switched we see how silly it is, because they like each other the way they were.
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marshmallory
04/16/09

@seven_cupcakes: Yes, but Danny gets to take his letterman sweater off. Sandy doesn't go back to being poodle-skirt-wearing Sandy. I think it says that a guy can stay the way he is, but the girl should be the one to change.

That being said, you can pry my Grease VHS out of my cold, dead hands because I LOVE THAT MOVIE.
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rednrowdy
04/16/09

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eh. i haven't even seen hannah montana and can tell you that monsters vs. aliens is better.
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tscheese
04/16/09

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You can't win, Disney. If you strike Miley Cyrus down, she shall become more powerful than you could possibly imagine.
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ellaesther
04/16/09

@tscheese: I'm sorry, wait, she's Obi-Wan? Duuuuuudddde!
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HannahBethD
04/16/09

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But isn't that actually a decent lesson for kids to learn?

Sometimes you just have to be different things for different people, situations, etc.

In my personal life I tell crude jokes, I'm a total ball buster and I call bull shit on a regular basis.

When I walk into work, I turn that off to a large degree.

When I'm around my Dad's Navy friends, I know that's not a good time to unleash the full fury of my bleeding heart Liberalism.

I guess you could say these are more actions and behaviors than 'who' you are. But I would argue that your actions and behaviors are who you are.

This is seriously deep for a Miley Cyrus thread, and I apologize.
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TheGintheCity
04/16/09

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After seeing her "sing" (because I can't call it real singing, I just can't) on American Idol last night, I find myself even more mystified by this whole thing.

She sounded really and truly terrible.
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TurtleWexlerKickedMe
04/16/09

@TheGintheCity: I was really embarrassed for her. I don't understand why they keep trying to push her as some sort of vocalist. Actress? Fine, whatever. Singer? Seriously, it's painful.

I'd rather listen to Danny Gokey sing than her, and that's saying a LOT.
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morninggloria
04/16/09

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Shamed, the movie concludes with Hannah Montana comitting hara-kiri in full view of the audience. Hundreds of butterflies alight her body as she bleeds to death, and when they take off, her body has vanished. The camera pulls away with the flight of the butterflies. As the screen fades to black, a haunting solo violin melody begins to play, and we hear Cyrus' voice. I am not ashamed of killing Hannah Montana. She lived a life of honor, she died a death of honor. The honor of a warrior.

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tscheese
04/16/09

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I really think that Ender Wiggins should have kept annihilating the Buggers, instead of doing all that namby-pamby shit where he became Speaker for the Dead and tried to understand their Queen and all that.

People wanted the Buggers dead, so he should have kept that damn blonde wig on and kept singing about how the enemy's gate is down. To, y'know, keep the magic alive.
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doodley is not amused
04/16/09

@tscheese: I never imagined anyone could find a way to connect Ender Wiggins and Hannah Montana. I bow to your greatness.
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Jack_Burton
04/16/09

@doodley is not amused: Indeed.

And here I thought Cyrus was secretly Batman.
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hippichx sez PEACE PLEASE
04/16/09

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that's kind of a sad way to end a kids movie...
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Kristina B
04/16/09

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this is a familiar theme. remember grease, where olivia newtonjohn ditches her good girl look to please john travolta?

or that new reese witherspoon movie where she decides her career is not so important and she'd rather be a simple small town girl (just like she did in sweet home alabama or whatever that movie was called?)

then there's family stone, where SJP lets down her hair and gets drunk and has to prove she's not an uptight career woman in order to gain sympathy from the brother...

i mean, it goes on and on...
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stephiehun
04/16/09

@Kristina B: But doesn't Danny try to ditch his bad boy image to be more appealing to Sandy? Sure, he rips off the letterman sweater when she shows up in black vinyl, but the intent was there.
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rah29
04/16/09

@stephiehun: Yeah and he joins the track team because he's too aggressive to play team sports, and all the T-birds make fun of him, but he says he has to do it to be the kind of man Sandy wants. And as I said in another thread, let's face it, old school Sandy was boring as hell. :)

....OK I may have seen that movie way too many times. I may or may not have a singalong DVD.
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Newsgirl
04/16/09

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I'll admit it. I like Hannah Montana.
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Mary McCarthyite
04/16/09

@Leslie: I've never seen any Hannah Montana episodes but I secretly want to see this movie. I will have to take a childr that I know to the movie with me as a "cover" for this plan...
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tscheese
04/16/09

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What you guys don't know is that I'M actually Miley Cyrus, which I then disguise even further with the "Hannah Montana" thing. But I'm not going to come out of hiding to reveal myself, because it's just too lucrative to go on with being a massively-recognized Disney-machine pop star.
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ellaesther
04/16/09

@tscheese: ALL of which explains how you met Zac!

I'm sorry. No more Zac jokes. That's the last one. From me. Today. Probably.
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hydrogen_jukebox
04/16/09

@tscheese: Then I guess now would be a good time to tell you that I'm actually Zac Efron.
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tscheese
04/16/09

@hydrogen_jukebox (thanks Hortense!): Oh damnit, is that why you'll only meet me when it's pitch-dark?

I THOUGHT your face seemed a little...stubble-free.
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cirocco
04/16/09

@tscheese: So you don your Miley wig, then your Hannah wig over that? You must have to duck to get through doorways. That's a lotta coiffure.
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vamusical
04/16/09

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Maybe the Tennessee townfolk just booed her because they didn't want her to ruin Radiohead.
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Ailatan
04/16/09

@vamusical: maybe they ask for a rendition of "Creep" and Hannah Montana couldn't deliver.
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Mary McCarthyite
04/16/09

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Move over Miley: I got a Jez star! Boo-ya!

I feel my perpetual public disguise as Mary McCarthyite is finally justified and accepted. Woot!
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merv
04/16/09

@Mary McCarthyite: dude, i'm never getting a jez star. i think i fucked up somehow.
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Bunsen Honeydew
04/16/09

@Mary McCarthyite: Congrats!

@mervbaby is bawitdaba.: Email Hortense and ask nicely.
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BellaTricks
04/16/09

@mervbaby is bawitdaba.: Me too! I have 80-something followers, and emailed Hortense two weeks ago. Sadness.
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Ailatan
04/16/09

@mervbaby is bawitdaba.: em-mail Hortense, you have a LOT of followers you're more than set for a star.
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Mary McCarthyite
04/16/09

@mervbaby is bawitdaba.: @BellaTricks: Poo! You gals need stars. Get on that!
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WashingMyHair
04/16/09

@mervbaby is bawitdaba.: let Hortense know. Soon you'll shine on!
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merv
04/16/09

@BellaTricks: maybe we just ain't cool. (trombone noise)
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BellaTricks
04/16/09

@mervbaby is bawitdaba.: (Eeyore voice)

Oh, well...
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merv
04/16/09

@all: never mind everyone, LOOKATMEIMAWINNERNOW!
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EdnasEdibles
04/16/09

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Kids movies always teach horrible lessons. Like how Grease taught you that you need to whore it up to get a man and be happy. Annie taught you that it's not creepy when old rich men try to buy orphans. Rudolph the Red Nosed Reindeer taught us that differences are only cool if they're useful differences that can be exploited. Wizard of Oz taught us that massive tornado induced head trauma is a fun little vacay for your brain.

This is why I only show my child The Crying Game to teach him about judging a book by his/her cover.
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Maritsa
04/16/09

@EdnasEdibles: Early, but that's my COTD.
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voir53
04/16/09

@EdnasEdibles: I can actually remember watching Grease at a sleepover for the first time when I was 8, and coming home to complain about how bad the morals were.

Rudolph also teaches us that there's a difference between man and woman's work. And the Wizard of Oz? Well, apparently, when you ask for a broom, you need to specify that you do, in fact, want to take it with you.
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EdnasEdibles
04/16/09

@voir53: A friend of mine used to go on and on about how Charlie & the Chocolate factory is some sort of symbol for a concentration camp with the slave labor and the fact that an aryan child is the only one to escape it's evil clutches.
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fol_de_rol
04/16/09

@voir53: I didn't see Grease until college and I was disgusted. Everyone I was with had seen it a million times as a kid and loved it; they didn't understand what was wrong with it.
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rah29
04/16/09

@voir53: I dunno... Yes, Grease teaches you terrible things. I admit that. But on the other hand, Danny was willing to change for Sandy too--he took up sports and wore that stupid cardigan. It's just that Old Sandy was a total wetter and New Sandy was a badass. I can't fault a film in which badassery is lauded... Rizzo, after all, is the coolest!
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gobblegirl
04/16/09

@fol_de_rol: I was really startled when I saw it for the first time too! Now I love the songs, hate the movie.

I read somewhere that Olivia N-J wouldn't let her daughter see it growing up, because she didn't want her to see the 'change-to-be-loved' message. So you can still adore her guilt-free!
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AvocadoGills: purveyor of kinky fish porn
04/16/09

@EdnasEdibles: I saw Grease as a kid several times. I never read too much into the message of "change yourself for love" at the end - it wasn't advice for me, it was just how the movie story ended. So much as I agree that sending good messages is much better for kids than sending bad messages, I also think we should give kids a little more credit. They're smart, yo.

However, my mom did use Grease as a way to bring up appropriate use of condoms. Awk-ward...!
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