Death is the hallmark of revolution. Ask those who died at Lexington and Concord. Of course, in this day and age, where information is easily manipulated, there is the haunting idea that it could have been staged or faked. But all you have to do is watch it once to know, viscerally, that it is not. And she will not be the last to die.
In a way, the current Iranian theocracy is now being hoist upon their own petard. They are uncomfortable in the spotlight and are lashing out at the West, because that is easier than admitting their own mistakes.
This may be the turning point, but don't believe there won't be more blood running in the streets before this revolution is over, no matter the outcome.
I stayed at a B&B this weekend that was run by an Iranian woman and we had some really interesting conversations about the situation over there. In a weird way it reminded me of Bush in the U.S. A lot of people abroad saw him as someone who stole the election and was uniformly stupid and evil, and had trouble understand how/why a good portion of the U.S. population voted for him. Not to discount the exponentially greater level of vote-rigging and protest there.
In her view, the huge youth population and gradual opening of debate have opened up the floodgates and the Guardian Council can't adapt as quickly as necessary to the large amounts of change that the people want.
The thing hat bugs me most about the situation is how most Americans seem really disinterested or ambivalent about caring. Did Bush & Co. really do that good a job at poisoning our minds against the Iranian people? It's their GOVERNMENT that's the problem, not the people. The people are striking out against the government, therefore we Americans should have no problem supporting them! I agree that Obama needs to remain officially neutral for now, but the rest of us are free to show our support.
@Our Lady of the Massacre: I posted a link on Facebook yesterday about Iran and a friend of mine, who just returned from active duty in Afghanistan, commented with, 'Who the hell cares about them, they're allied with North Korea. Blow them all up, it'll do the world good'. I was shocked. I shouldn't have been shocked, but I was.
Needless to say several of my other friends had plenty to say to him, but even after he'd had his ass handed to him and I'd defriended him, I was still very upset by his comments. I mean, I know this kind of ignorance exists, I see it everyday. I know that kind of hatred and prejudice exists. But to be openly confronted with it is another matter. I mean, does this guy really think that the Iranian people have anything to do with what their government does? That they automatically share the same opinions? Even the most average of bears would realize that the people are being completely OPPRESSED by their government - why else would they be protesting and being killed over there for speaking out? I think what disturbed me most was that this guy obviously hadn't even thought of that at all. He was too busy spewing hatred.
@Our Lady of the Massacre: Agreed. That sentiment reminds me of the comment in the last couple of weeks, to the effect of "let's just nuke North Korea already". Hello? Oppressive regimes aren't just potentially dangerous to outsiders - though they are - they are ACTUALLY dangerous to the people stuck within them. As much as I'm kind of shocked by the light media coverage here in the U.S., at least in this case it seems to be pointing to the distinction between a political regime and the people who live under it.
For people who think this is exploitation or shock value, remember what Emmit Till's mother said about why she asked for an open casket funeral:
"I wanted the world to see what they did to my baby."
For a similar principle, there is the publication of Anne Frank's diary. Nobody learned anything new from either case - anyone who cared could see that blacks were being treated as inferior human beings in the supposed Land of the Free and that the Holocaust was a blight on our history from which we had shamefully looked away - but putting a face to these tragedies made them all the more powerful.
I have not watched the video and I don't think I will, because the still image was enough. But I will defend the right of anyone to air them. Remember, the media used the same argument about exploitation and bloodlust to argue against showing the cost in bodies and blood of our strikes on Iraq.
@LamontPelias: Exactly. Not only that, but I think with the people of Iran going to such lengths to get videos like this to the outside world, the least we can do is watch a few to see what they are going through. They want us to know about it.
@LamontPelias: For better or worse, we're a visual species. Studies have shown that a picture of a single victim elicits more sympathy than an article describing the extent of a wider problem, and even than a combination of the picture and article. Whatever helps us be better people, I am for it.
As much as I would like to believe that people are watching it to commiserate with the people of Iran, I think it's disturbing that some people need to see a young woman dying to be able to do so. In other words, I think many people are watching it purely for shock value at this point. That makes me sad.
@Samanthrax is Sarcastic: I agree with you. Neda is not the first person to have died in this conflict, nor will she be the last. I am a bit befuddled by it all. Yesterday everyone was saying "you MUST watch this!" (on Jez). I did, and it didn't affect me much at all. At this point it strikes me as almost pornographic.
@Samanthrax is Sarcastic: I don't think it's disturbing. I've been following this all weekend and it wasn't until I forced myself to watch the video that I felt I understood what was happening in the slightest manner.
I'm a very squeamish person. I can't watch people get hurt, I will never, for the life of me, understand the Faces of Death videos.. even most realistic horror movies are too much for me. I watched the video so I could relate on a physical and emotional level to what these people are actually going through. I agree with a commenter above that everyone should watch it.
It was the first 10 seconds or so that matter, not the blood. She was just so scared. I felt anger/frustration/anxiety before, but now I feel it that much more acutely.
@Eleanor Ramilly: @AmericanSplendor: To be blunt, I'm not really talking about you guys- "you guys" being the readers and commenters of this site. I don't think your average bear is pressing play to gain some understanding, and if you think they are- well, I guess you have a better opinion of the general populace than I do.
They finally showed the entire video unedited on CNN last night. I think it's important that everybody watches it, because in the US we tend to be disconnected on an emotional level to events that take place outside this country. Her death has brought people all over the world together.
@chattanooga: Unfortunately, the majority of Americans don't watch CNN or any other news network while eating dinner or for primetime viewing. I would even go so far as to say that many Americans barely aware of what's really going on in Iran right now.
The mourning cycle could continue in perpetuity. My main concern is whether the Shah is going to just up and ban all uses of communication devices in public period. No cameras. No phones. No one witnessing the senseless death of so many. It's their move now. I wonder what they'll do.
@Trulymadlyme: Are you kidding? That kind of ban would start a revolution. If the Ayatollah has any interest in keeping the people of Iran from physically storming his gates, he won't even try that.
He knows, all the people in power know, that you can only limit people so much. The question is whether they're crazy enough to invite the revolution.
Sky News appears to be questioning the video's authenticity. I was surprised by the tome they were taking as it was odds with all other reporting of Neda's death.
I've watched a couple of people die or come very close to it in my job as an EMT (but nothing violent or gruesome thank goodness), and that fading/vacant look in her eyes is not something you can fake. Nor the copious blood that pours from her nose and mouth at the end.
Or are they saying it is a real video of a woman dying, but isn't from the current situation in Iran??
@mepo - Robert Cornhole invented it: Ugh, it seems that there's always someone that jumps into the "questionable" boat and say things like this might be/are fake. It reminds me of videos of violence in China/Tibet, and how the government denies the coverage is even real.
@formergr: It's led on their main page with the heading: Neda - A Victim, A Symbol, Or a Hoax? Which seems more than a little leading.
It continues by saying there are questions surrounding her identity. They discount the validity of the tape by saying that she was first identified as a 16 year old girl. They fail to address the fact that due to a blanket ban of foreign reporting such information is bound to be slowed down. What I don't understand is why that post is still up now that there solid information regarding her identity.
Plus the comments are appalling Lets bombard the site jezebelles.
@mepo - Robert Cornhole invented it: Sounds like that person has seen *too many* deaths on CSI, and doesn't realize that real life tends to be a bit different than crime serials. Duh! (directed on the article commenter, not you of course).
By the way, that video- it is upsetting to watch. Very, very upsetting. It has value, but please- don't watch it if you don't want to see an actual human being die rather gruesomely.
@LindsayC: doctoral hilarity ensues: I haven't watched it. I can't bring myself to do it and I don't want to. I've read the story and I understand and I want to show respect for this woman who has died.
@LindsayC: doctoral hilarity ensues: It was a little strange to see it on CNN yesterday. I'd already played the first 3 seconds on Jezebel before I couldn't watch, but when it made its way to tv it was harder to look away despite their repeated warnings. I saw it after I watched a Chinese gangster movie, and I was shocked by how much the video upset/moved me. We talk about being immune to scenes of death and violence because our culture glorifies violence in movies and on tv, but there is no comparison, between anything I've seen before, and the gruesome, untimely death of an innocent young woman.
@LindsayC: doctoral hilarity ensues: Yeah, I can't watch it. The photos, other videos and stories coming out of Iran are enough to give me nightmares. I can't bring myself to watch someone die.
Has anyone here ever checked out the Boston Globe online's feature "The Big Picture?" They have THE most beautiful photographs for everything, including a few albums pertaining to Iran. Everyone should check it out, I love it!!!
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In a way, the current Iranian theocracy is now being hoist upon their own petard. They are uncomfortable in the spotlight and are lashing out at the West, because that is easier than admitting their own mistakes.
This may be the turning point, but don't believe there won't be more blood running in the streets before this revolution is over, no matter the outcome.
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In her view, the huge youth population and gradual opening of debate have opened up the floodgates and the Guardian Council can't adapt as quickly as necessary to the large amounts of change that the people want.
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Needless to say several of my other friends had plenty to say to him, but even after he'd had his ass handed to him and I'd defriended him, I was still very upset by his comments. I mean, I know this kind of ignorance exists, I see it everyday. I know that kind of hatred and prejudice exists. But to be openly confronted with it is another matter. I mean, does this guy really think that the Iranian people have anything to do with what their government does? That they automatically share the same opinions? Even the most average of bears would realize that the people are being completely OPPRESSED by their government - why else would they be protesting and being killed over there for speaking out? I think what disturbed me most was that this guy obviously hadn't even thought of that at all. He was too busy spewing hatred.
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"I wanted the world to see what they did to my baby."
For a similar principle, there is the publication of Anne Frank's diary. Nobody learned anything new from either case - anyone who cared could see that blacks were being treated as inferior human beings in the supposed Land of the Free and that the Holocaust was a blight on our history from which we had shamefully looked away - but putting a face to these tragedies made them all the more powerful.
I have not watched the video and I don't think I will, because the still image was enough. But I will defend the right of anyone to air them. Remember, the media used the same argument about exploitation and bloodlust to argue against showing the cost in bodies and blood of our strikes on Iraq.
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I'm a very squeamish person. I can't watch people get hurt, I will never, for the life of me, understand the Faces of Death videos.. even most realistic horror movies are too much for me. I watched the video so I could relate on a physical and emotional level to what these people are actually going through. I agree with a commenter above that everyone should watch it.
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It was the first 10 seconds or so that matter, not the blood. She was just so scared. I felt anger/frustration/anxiety before, but now I feel it that much more acutely.
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He knows, all the people in power know, that you can only limit people so much. The question is whether they're crazy enough to invite the revolution.
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I've watched a couple of people die or come very close to it in my job as an EMT (but nothing violent or gruesome thank goodness), and that fading/vacant look in her eyes is not something you can fake. Nor the copious blood that pours from her nose and mouth at the end.
Or are they saying it is a real video of a woman dying, but isn't from the current situation in Iran??
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It continues by saying there are questions surrounding her identity. They discount the validity of the tape by saying that she was first identified as a 16 year old girl. They fail to address the fact that due to a blanket ban of foreign reporting such information is bound to be slowed down. What I don't understand is why that post is still up now that there solid information regarding her identity.
Plus the comments are appalling Lets bombard the site jezebelles.
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"Can anyone prove she actually died? - I've seem more convincing death scenes on CSI
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I guess people find it hard to believe that this is actually happening, to real people, who really die when they get hit by bullets.
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