"Ideally everyone should have something extra on the side" ?
Um, doesn't the idea that her morals should dictate "everyone's" behavior sort of contradict her primary point?
How about this: when you enter into a relationship with someone, make sure that their key values are at least mostly aligned with yours. Otherwise, there will be lying, fights, and general unhappiness.
Granted, this attitude isn't as "sexy" as saying everyone should be able to have affairs with impugnity and those who disagree with that dictate are backwards prudes, but it does make a lot more sense.
You'd think that Sasha Grey would see the attitudes leveled at her and those in her profession and adopt a more "live and let live" approach to judging relationships. Instead, she has the same black-and-white views as the mainstream, just in the opposite order.
'Americans act so shocked when they hear about politicians, celebrities, and athletes having affairs, but I have to believe that many men who are married to women with sex appeal are aware of affairs, and accept it. Don't ask, don't tell; as long as they receive something in exchange from their wife-whether that exchange be children, money, material items, or sex.'
[I]n most of the interview she sounds very mature and articulate
I personally found her to sound pretty immature and naive. Granted, she's got some interesting ideas but they're not fully formed or rather accessible in my opinion. If anything, I feel like some of the ideas she presented were fed to her from the porn industry. She came across as very defensive (completely understandable) and young.
I don't mean to lambaste her but I don't think she's in the position to be expressing her opinions on a wide range of subjects when it seems like she has very little experience or knowledge outside of her work.
@sapphire: I don't care what your opinion is as long as it's A) researched and B) can be backed up. She's got neither of those by the looks of it. Like Confucius said, "To know that we know what we know, and that we do not know what we do not know, that is true knowledge."
@bluebears: "I don't think she's in the position to be expressing her opinions on a wide range of subjects when it seems like she has very little experience or knowledge outside of her work."
This doesn't sound like me to even be critiquing someone's opinion. I hear this as questioning her right to have opinions and talk about them.
Sorry. I read her quotes and all I think is, "Dang, is she YOUNG."
No offense to you other, perhaps more mature youngsters. There's just a baseline know-it-allness that indicates a certain need to grow up a little. Or a lot.
I can't shake the feeling that I find Sasha Grey so...unlikable. In almost every interview I read of hers, she comes across as cocky to me. I don't think she is unintelligent or inarticulate; there is just something about her demeanor that I find off-putting. And it isn't a porn star thing, because I actually like Jenna Jameson based on her interviews. I suppose the difference is that Jenna is willing to acknowledge and discuss the unsavory sides of her business, and therefore comes across as reflective, while Sasha just seems overly self-assured.
(Again, this is my take on this--just to pre-empt the people who were annoyed at me for defending Jenna in the Oprah thread.)
I really dislike it when porn stars think that anyone who doesn't respect their career choice (or them) is prudish, immature, ignorant, puritanical, or repressed.
She seems (sadly) uneducated and immature (based on this interview and others I've seen).
@JessickerFletcher: I agree with you. I have a healthy adult sex life. I have healthy relationships. I don't see how not thinking porn is empowering makes me prudish.
Oh and I'm a secular humanist.
But fucking for money on camera still doesn't sit right with me.
I won't throw stones but I also won't accept it as "normal". Human sexuality is too complicated to just package it like a product.
@LilSpitfire: I don't see how not thinking porn is empowering makes me prudish
Exactly. Took the words straight out of my mouth. Using your sexuality/femininity/whatever as means to make a living is not empowering in my book whatsoever.
@JessickerFletcher: She's 21, and probably suffering a lot of the "know-it-all"isms we all suffered at that age. I think she's intelligent but her age and other factors probably have put her in a bit of a bubble and she likes to think she's the only smart person to ever be in the industry and flaunts that. Hopefully age and experience (and maybe more education) will give her better perspective.
@hamburgerhotdog: She's also been touted as the thoughtful and empowered porn star by her producers. She's bound to have internalized some of that and actually believe that she's an expert on sexuality in general because she works in the industry and she's obviously not a total idiot. But to me, she sounds like many other girls her age, and there's nothing wrong with that except that she seems to be held up as a type of role mode.
@scarletwine: Exactly--special snowflake syndrome.I wonder just how much reading she's done on gender, class and culture studies in her industry. Young Jedi knight has a lot to learn...
@JessickerFletcher: Agree, and I think that there's a bit of the soft bigotry of low expectations going on with the way people praise her intelligence and eloquence. Every thing I've read from her seems strikingly naive. She's fond of saying that any critique of porn and its larger implications has no merit because she's into it? Please.
She calls herself an "existentialist" porn star, which enough to make my eyes roll so far back in my head I can see my own brain. Does it get more pretentious than that?
@hamburgerhotdog: No, but those types of comments are exactly why it will be fascinating to check in on her in 10 years and see how much or how little her opinions have changed. In general, I am ambivalent about porn, but some of Sasha's comments in other interviews have given me pause. There is a difference between accepting the business as it is and feeling a sense of ownership over your decisions/profession and elevating it to be something it isn't as a means of justification. See my above statement for a more clarified example. : )
Maggie's a friend of mine. She's a sex worker and an HIV specialist. Pretty much one of the most badass women I'm privileged to know. She writes a lot about her perceptions of the sex industry in this country - if you're interested, it's totally worth a look.
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I'm mentally juxtaposing her statements with that of another early-20something (Megan Fox) who frequently puts her foot in it and well, they just seem to have limited experience in the world. I don't know whether Sasha's mature enough to recognize victim-blaming for what it is.
I like what she is saying here for the most part and chalk up some of her gaffes to naivete.
While I'm not Sasha Grey's biggest fan, I have to admit that she's pretty poised in this interview.
She did totally get it wrong with the "Before Christianity and Catholicism took over most people were in poly-amorous relationships" bit and I am an expert on sex and sexuality through history (everyone has to have their niche?).
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Um, doesn't the idea that her morals should dictate "everyone's" behavior sort of contradict her primary point?
How about this: when you enter into a relationship with someone, make sure that their key values are at least mostly aligned with yours. Otherwise, there will be lying, fights, and general unhappiness.
Granted, this attitude isn't as "sexy" as saying everyone should be able to have affairs with impugnity and those who disagree with that dictate are backwards prudes, but it does make a lot more sense.
You'd think that Sasha Grey would see the attitudes leveled at her and those in her profession and adopt a more "live and let live" approach to judging relationships. Instead, she has the same black-and-white views as the mainstream, just in the opposite order.
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I personally found her to sound pretty immature and naive. Granted, she's got some interesting ideas but they're not fully formed or rather accessible in my opinion. If anything, I feel like some of the ideas she presented were fed to her from the porn industry. She came across as very defensive (completely understandable) and young.
I don't mean to lambaste her but I don't think she's in the position to be expressing her opinions on a wide range of subjects when it seems like she has very little experience or knowledge outside of her work.
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This doesn't sound like me to even be critiquing someone's opinion. I hear this as questioning her right to have opinions and talk about them.
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No offense to you other, perhaps more mature youngsters. There's just a baseline know-it-allness that indicates a certain need to grow up a little. Or a lot.
Young =/ immature, but you catch the drift...
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(Again, this is my take on this--just to pre-empt the people who were annoyed at me for defending Jenna in the Oprah thread.)
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She seems (sadly) uneducated and immature (based on this interview and others I've seen).
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Oh and I'm a secular humanist.
But fucking for money on camera still doesn't sit right with me.
I won't throw stones but I also won't accept it as "normal". Human sexuality is too complicated to just package it like a product.
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Exactly. Took the words straight out of my mouth. Using your sexuality/femininity/whatever as means to make a living is not empowering in my book whatsoever.
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Something that should be free and natural?
I don't know.
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Far, far less so with smeared mascara, watery eyes and making noises like someone who is being choked.
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Maggie's a friend of mine. She's a sex worker and an HIV specialist. Pretty much one of the most badass women I'm privileged to know. She writes a lot about her perceptions of the sex industry in this country - if you're interested, it's totally worth a look.
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I like what she is saying here for the most part and chalk up some of her gaffes to naivete.
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She did totally get it wrong with the "Before Christianity and Catholicism took over most people were in poly-amorous relationships" bit and I am an expert on sex and sexuality through history (everyone has to have their niche?).