If you're annoyed by the pros doing it, imagine taking a tennis clinic and the bitchy little slip of a thing in her fancy stella mccartney tennis whites suddenly starts grunting/shrieking every time she hits the damn ball. makes you want to find a whole new use for your racquet, that's for sure.
Lots of the men, if not most, do it too, regularly. It's one of the reasons I can't get behind Nadal. I've watched tennis for 30 years and not only did Navratilova never resort to this staged silliness, neither did Bjorn Borg or Pete Sampras, and you very rarely hear a sound from Federer. If you're good enough, you don't have to resort to this.
I think the way some players turn it on and off speaks volumes -- no pun intended -- about how it's a ploy and not part of any actual effort. I love both the Williams sisters, but sometimes they yell and sometimes they don't. Sharapova screams long after she's struck the ball -- what's that supposed to be for, if not psychological impact? Start assigning penalties of some sort for this, and you'll see how fast it stops and how little effect it has an anyone's game, because it's a freakin' stunt.
@Sunflowercat: I read somewhere once that Monica Seles refused to stop screaming and grunting even when players on another court complained. That has to be unnecessary.
And I don't think that the Williams sisters have always grunted either. I think I remember back when they were first playing on the international tour that they didn't and was surprised to watch a match more recently and they did.
@Tart of Darkness: It's like the "excessive celebration" rule in college football to me -- if you start taking away points, it will come screeching (ha ha!) to a halt.
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Sometimes when I'm rock climbing, and I've placed my foot up a bit higher, and I'm tranferring my weight onto said foot to make a big reach with my arm.....I grunt. It happens.
I also think there's a difference between a "hi-yaaa!" or whatever while you are in the act of hitting the ball, judo-chopping the wooden block, or whatever it is you do that requires some more exertion, and a long, sustained shriek like that Portuguese girl does.
I was taught that it gave more power, somehow. My coach had no basis for it, other than it was 'what was done on tv', but he had 9 and 10 year old girls doing it. Creepy fuck.
Rafa, Nando, Marat, Gilles, Jo-Wil, Andy, Andy and the Djoker -- I've heard them all do it.
I've even heard Roger do it after several long sets when serving. I'm sure people are shocked. *shockandawe*
But I guess I only hear Roger because I have musician's ears.
*rolleyes*
There is the issue/question of the general pitch of a female scream. But martial artists have a tendency to do the same thing to force kinetic energy outward and stabilize the body for defense.
But I fully agree that if it were only women doing it that no commentator would have ever brought it up.
does anyone remember those snl sketches called "at home with monica" featuring melanie hustle as monica seles making that grunting noise everytime she did anything?
opening a can of soda? GRUNT.
opening the refrigerator? GRUNT.
pushing her chair underneath the table? GRUNT.
melanie hustle also made this really hysterical face that went with the grunt.
There was only one female in that montage who annoyed the shit out of me and clearly faked the grunt. It was high pitched and sounded like someone faking an orgasm. I assume it was De Brito since you said hers last so long and this one was quite long each time.
It's not grunting that's the problem. Plenty of players grunt, from Rafa to Serena, and it doesn't bug me that much. It's the screeching that drives me mad - high-pitched screeching. I always avoid watching Sharapova for this reason, and that's a shame.
Maybe they're pissed at something? I know when Jillian Michaels and her dumb workout DVD tell me "I want to hear you panting, screaming in pain!" I usually go "Shut up you hateful bitch!" just to, you know, give her what she wants.
@lalaland13: Ok see? I was going to go do my 30 Day Shred today for the first time in ever and now you have to remind me how much it makes me hate her.
I guess it will have to be Jacky from Bravo instead.
@Spaceman Bill Leah: I'm sorry. I am doomed to be fat and out-of-shape because of my hatred for workout videos. I feel better afterward, but at the time I want to throttle her. It works better when I try not to pay attention to her.
Male and female fencers grunt/scream/yell all the time when they think they've scored a touch. There are various reasons why you're taught to do it: intimidating your opponent, convincing the director that it was your point, letting go of the breath you've been holding...it can be obnoxious, and there are people who over do it, but it's generally accepted as the thing to do.
@SeptemberDecemberDancer: This!! I was just coming here to say this! My coach used to try to get us to do that ALL THE TIME and we were always like, nah dude, its mad annoying when other people do it. There was one girl we fenced a bunch who would literally SHREIK. It was the worst. One time I was chilling at a tournament and she did it and it startled me so much that I screamed too. It was terrible. I hate this practice!!
@NefariousNewt: ...Accidents like being suffocated while crammed inot the trunk of a Cadillac? You mean those types of accidents? Yeah, they are unfortunate, but what are you gonna do?
@NefariousNewt: Since I've complained about it on every single comment practically I fear now that I'm going to wake up and find my horse's head in my bed. Dang. I knew I should have kept my fingers still.
In a lot of sports you're encouraged to make noises, though. I was always encouraged to grunt in tae kwon do, and in yoga we always have to do awkward loud breathing.
@Tart of Darkness: Also, I have never heard a tennis crowd erupt in the same way as basketball game attendees. Different sports, I don't think it's a fair comparison.
@Ailanthus-altissima: Yeah. You get kicked out of matches for making noise and bothering the players. And your coach cannot say one word to you or gesture at you or otherwise appear to be communicating with you in any way.
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I think the way some players turn it on and off speaks volumes -- no pun intended -- about how it's a ploy and not part of any actual effort. I love both the Williams sisters, but sometimes they yell and sometimes they don't. Sharapova screams long after she's struck the ball -- what's that supposed to be for, if not psychological impact? Start assigning penalties of some sort for this, and you'll see how fast it stops and how little effect it has an anyone's game, because it's a freakin' stunt.
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And I don't think that the Williams sisters have always grunted either. I think I remember back when they were first playing on the international tour that they didn't and was surprised to watch a match more recently and they did.
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Blame it on McEnroe! My 12 year old self fell crazy in crush with him. He won doubles that year with Fleming.
You've been hearted!!!
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I also think there's a difference between a "hi-yaaa!" or whatever while you are in the act of hitting the ball, judo-chopping the wooden block, or whatever it is you do that requires some more exertion, and a long, sustained shriek like that Portuguese girl does.
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Between Martina and Maureen Dowd, it's been a long day.
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I've even heard Roger do it after several long sets when serving. I'm sure people are shocked. *shockandawe*
But I guess I only hear Roger because I have musician's ears.
*rolleyes*
There is the issue/question of the general pitch of a female scream. But martial artists have a tendency to do the same thing to force kinetic energy outward and stabilize the body for defense.
But I fully agree that if it were only women doing it that no commentator would have ever brought it up.
*rolleyes*
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*hard*
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opening a can of soda? GRUNT.
opening the refrigerator? GRUNT.
pushing her chair underneath the table? GRUNT.
melanie hustle also made this really hysterical face that went with the grunt.
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I have not used that DVD in a few weeks, no.
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I guess it will have to be Jacky from Bravo instead.
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He does maintain, however, that occasionally, people who complain about the grunting have been known to have "unfortunate accidents."
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PLUS ONE!!!!!
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In a lot of sports you're encouraged to make noises, though. I was always encouraged to grunt in tae kwon do, and in yoga we always have to do awkward loud breathing.
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In tennis you are not allowed to do so. That's why you don't hear Andre Agassi yelling "Your momma is a whore!" during match play.
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