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Zombie Ms. Skittles
10/26/09

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Okay, as a young woman under 35 this kind of story makes me feel empowered. I take my earning power very seriously and I am very proud of it. As I have belabored over and over again here, I had to move back in with my mother and step-father due to the shitty economy. They've been having financial troubles due to a custody battle, his unemployment due to work in the financial sector, and her work nearly drying up. The last few months, they've borrowed over $2,000 from me and I bought them a sofa. I've been the only one who could afford to celebrate birthdays and holidays since Christmas and have been buying presents for everyone for this Christmas because they won't be able to afford to do much. Since this all started happening, my status in the household went up dramatically. I suddenly have pull over what we eat and when we eat. I no longer get comments about the things I do or the state of my car/bedroom. I don't even think they're cognizant that they do it, but they treat me differently now that I'm a major financial contributor. #women
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yvanehtnioj
10/26/09

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Factory Girls is amazing. I highly recommend it, it's a great nonfiction book that reads very easily but still goes deep. Also, #moneypowerrespect is the greatest hash tag yet.
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Aaron Martin-Colby
09/01/09

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Carol Bartz, the fucking SAVIOR of Yahoo! and recipient of more tech-CEO coverage than anyone this side of Steve Jobs... didn't make it on the list?

That's not just stupid, or sexist, it's just wrong. If she didn't make it, the list is worthless.
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random_play
09/01/09

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New Establishment? Vanity Fair doesn't get to pick the New Establishment. You do.

For my vote, I'll second hydrogen_jukebox:

Rachel Maddow
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BlinkyMcChuck
09/01/09

@random_play: And I third. That is weird that she's not on there, among a few others. Michelle Obama should be on this list as well.
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hydrogen_jukebox
09/01/09

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No Rachel? Where's my girl?

I don't understand the reasoning behind this list at all.
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morninggloria
09/01/09

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Meredith Whitney, the ladylove of my brainlife, should not be lower than the White House social secretary.
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MizJenkins
09/01/09

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Michelle Obama didn't make this list? What about UN Ambassador Susan Rice? What about Sonia Sotomayor?!?!?! What are the purported criteria for inclusion on this list?
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Chamalla,barren crone
09/01/09

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I would love to see this article spur a whole mess of Jezebelles and Jezebel-esque women to start their own businesses. Replace the Old Boys Network with the Sassy Bonerkillerz Network.
We're clearly not going to be invited to the party, I think the only logical option is to crash it.
I wonder how difficult it would be to only patronize women owned businesses for a month...
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MissSunshine4812
09/01/09

@Chamalla, now gainfully employed: Very, but Jezebel should do a list like this.
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valhalla_i_am_coming
09/01/09

@MissSunshine4812: Latoya, what do you say? Can we have a poll where we ask Jezzies to make our own "new establishment" list? Or at least if we can think of 50 women to balance out the top 100? 'Cause I just bet we can.
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LatoyaPeterson
09/01/09

@valhalla_i_am_coming: I'll look into this.
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Aaron Martin-Colby
08/20/09

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I'm also wondering if the list is meant to attract some female readers, and unlike males, females don't care about what other females are earning. They care about what they're doing. Men like to take someone's earnings and divide it by Bugatti Veyrons.
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cate3710
08/20/09

@Aaron Martin-Colby: I don't know about you, but I like to divide earnings by Louis Vuitton bags. Sometimes I mix it up and do it by Marc Jacobs instead, just for kicks.
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Aaron Martin-Colby
08/20/09

@cate3710: Go Gucci. Edgier. More expensive, too. After the division, the number is more manageable.
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morninggloria
08/20/09

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MAYBE they use the "influence" metric because it hasn't been mainstream for women to work for as long as it's been mainstream for men to work and accumulate wealth. And maybe many of the world's wealthiest women are wealthy due to inheritance or the business dealings of their husbands?

These are just guesses. I'm not sure that I know what I'm talking about at all.
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hfree
08/20/09

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I'm thinking part of the reason why they don't measure pay in this list is because many of the women mentioned, despite being high achievers on their own, earn much of their influence through their husbands. First Lady of the US and Queen of Jordan don't come with paychecks but they are highly influential positions. Michelle Obama and Queen Rania are using their positions to do a lot of good and are highly influential, but on the pay scale they would rank rather low. If salary came into this I think Hollywood actresses would most likely dominate the top ten, and that is not what this list is trying to measure. That being said, I agree that it's weird that only one politician is in the Top 10. Where's HRC?
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hfree
08/20/09

@hfree: Okay in rethinking, they need a money list and an influence list. It would be great to show that money doesn't buy power. (also, politicians don't make all that much. . .)
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alexa
08/20/09

@hfree: But it's FORBES. That would be valid if it were Time, or a non-money focused publication.
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RubyPenelope
08/20/09

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What drives me crazy is that I still know so many people (mostly baby boomer aged men) who don't believe there is really a wage gap. They think it all boils down to women's choices in choosing lower earning careers, part time work, etc...but the data is clear
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Cunning_Linguist
08/20/09

@RubyPenelope: Can you believe I have this argument with men my own age?! And I'm in my mid-20s. What a bunch of asshats.
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SarahMC
08/20/09

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Hmph. They measure it in "influence" because our pay does not reflect our true influence. It's almost a way to compensate for the fact that we're not paid fairly, according to our influence.
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Yahtzii
08/20/09

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Eeeew, I hope that we're not using Twitter as a beacon of influence now. Because then it would be all hail President Ashton Kutcher, with Vice President Perez Hilton pulling the strings. And Russell Brand becomes Secretary of State.

However, I do think that it's an interesting point in the equality debate that even the most influential women have fewer Twitter followers - 75 cents on the dollar to Queen Raina's 600,000 followers on someone like Kutcher's million.
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Maggita
08/20/09

@Yahtzii: Also, sadly, people prefer to read something stupid and inane (Kutcher) over something important and relevant (Rania). Because thinking hurts.
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dummyfakeroller
08/20/09

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I have so much trouble keeping track of the forbes list. Most powerful, most influential, top earning women, top earning men, top earning celebrities. I generally just say Oprah is at the top of everything and leave it at that.

The wage gap is something that I've yet to experience personally but when I do, I have a much easier argument for the question "Well, why are you a feminist if none of this stuff has ever happened to you?" Because apparently desiring equality, feeling empathatic, wanting justice, both social and criminal, among other reasons just aren't good enough for some people if you don't have numerous accounts that are deemed serious. Yeah, sexual harassment and gender expectation aren't serious at all. -__-
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