My friend once asked me why on To Catch a Predator, the predators are always men. She wondered if there were women who got caught, and the network decided not to use that footage. i think it's because female abusers don't need to go online for action, since society trusts their kids with them.
I was never sexually abused by an adult, but I was by male & female cousins (they were siblings) as a child. They were kids too...the oldest was prob 12 when it started & I was about 5 or 6...and this was not just "playing doctor". It went on for years & years whenever our parents all went out together and we were left to "take care of each other". I've never told my parents. One time just recently, my mom told me that one of my (male) cousins (the oldest who was supposed to be in charge) had been "messed with" by an older babysitter (female). I can only guess this is how the pattern started.
The damage caused by it still sticks. I'm almost 37 and it still keeps me awake many nights. My personal relationships have suffered because of it. Many of us (grown adults now) struggle with alcohol addiction. It's an ongoing battle. The guilt is the worst. Even though I know I'm not to blame, the shame of it just kills me.
Thanks for letting me share. I'm glad that I'm not alone.
I'm so glad this is being covered. Now I can have actual numbers and statistics (as well as anecdotes) the next time this comes up.
My male cousin, who is now 24, attended an out-of-state private school in elementary and middle school. He was molested by a female teacher, then in her 20's, when he was 12 and 13. From what I understand, at the time it was treated more like he was in trouble for having sex so young. I just found about this maybe a year ago and I was furious as to how it was handled, and frankly, how lightly a lot of my family seemed to have taken it at the time and still do to this day. I was feeling like the freak for not chuckling a bit and being stunned and disgusted. My family is wonderful in many ways, but I was very surprised by th way some of them reacted to all of this. I am not all that close with my cousin now and he seems, at least outwardly, to be very well-adjusted. However, I'm curious if I truly knew him, if I would be able to see ways in which the abuse possibly affected him.
By the way, the teacher was fired several years ago for doing the same thing to another boy. Sick.
I was abused twice by women (teenage girl and old woman) as a very young child and people do tend to express shock and disbelief when I tell them. There's this odd concept of a female predator as only being interested in teenage boys. It somehow is extra disturbing for people to realize women molest little kids too. I think it takes away that last delusion of a "safe" demographic.
Hard as it has been to deal with, I feel it's been easier for me than for the men in my life who've been molested/raped by women (father, two exes) because they all had such difficulty naming it as a violation. "I enjoyed it, never felt exploited" etc. It's like the cultural crap about male sexual dominance just added a whole extra layer of denial and confusion for them to work through. It's notable that all three of them struggled with compulsive sexual behavior with women as adults too.
i just wanted to say thank you to everyone who shared personal stories on this thread. You're all really brave.
Like most people, I know several friends and family members who have been sexually abused, assaulted, and/or raped. The sheer number is rather overwhelming, and I can see the many, insidious, long-lasting effects of these incidents, especially of childhood sexual abuse, in the lives of my loved ones. The one male I know who is an abuse victim was sexually abused by his older sister as a young teenager, and it affected his entire life, and the shame of it was so great that he didn't confess it to anyone (and never to his parents while they lived) until 30 or 40 years later. I don't really have a point except to say that it's heartbreaking, and the lack of acceptance of the idea of female abusers combined with (in this case) the stigma against the idea of male victims just makes it incredibly difficult for people to get the help they need.
@thesciencegirl: I also want to thank everyone who was able to share their stories, and also that I understand that some are still not able to, and I hope that you get to the point where you can. Females, even mothers, can be criminals too, and cause incredible pain. The pain isn't lessened by the fact that the abuser is female. Nor, for that matter, if the victim is a male. If it's not believed, it can be even be made worse. The baby boom generation has so far made huge strides in criminalizing and making abuse by men unacceptable and to not stigmatize victims. Now let use make sure that no victim is stigmatized, and that they can seek help and be believed, no matter the gender of the abuser or the victim.
I find this sort of attitude comes up a lot because of the severe sexism and gender stereotyping we do. Because women don't have penis's, and because people assume sexual molestation must involve penetration to be "real" or "serious" ergo female sexual abuse is not really abuse.
There's also the added shame in female to male abuse, because of sexual arousal. Which can happen to anyone being molested or assaulted. It's an automatic response. Not all sexual assault is the violent kind. Which is why it can be so insidious and shameful for those who experience it.
The way things like that teacher above have been made into "acceptable" because of that makes me ill. It never, ever, ever, matters what a child may sexually respond to or want. An adult should NEVER be putting them in that position. Ever. It's wrong and horrible.
And women are just as capable of doing awful things to other people. It doesn't take a penis to be horrible.
You can't know how much it means to me to see this discussed. I was sexually abused by my mother from infancy into my teens, and was also molested by two male relatives on isolated occasions. I've dealt with the abuse by the men but, even ten years after the last assault by my mother, I'm still torn up inside about it.
Part of it is that it was a deeper betrayal because it was a parent who hurt me, but an even larger part is other people's view of women as sexual predators. Female on female incest is presented as "hot" in mainstream discussions. I've been kicked out of feminist communities and called an MRA troll for bringing up the fact that women abuse too, even though I pointed out that I nonetheless don't worry when I pass a group of women in the street at night, and that I've never been sexually heckled or groped in public by a strange woman. I've had people insist that my mother is as much a victim as I am - that she only hurt me because a man hurt her first, never mind that I'm pretty sure my great-uncle and cousin who molested me were also victims of childhood sexual abuse. People insist that my abuse by men had to be worse because there was a penis involved - which, in a twisted way, upsets me as a feminist because it works with the assumption that female sexuality is weak and passive.
A male friend of mine was molested by his female babysitter when he was seven. In high school, one of our female gym teachers would surreptitiously fondle herself while she watched us shower.
These things happen, and I believe they happen in numbers far exceeding what most people suspect. And beyond that, I believe that we can talk about female sexual predators without taking away from the seriousness of how society encourages male sexual predators.
@RheaWildfowl: This happened to me as well, although not for such an extended time. My mother kissed and fondled me several times for the pleasure of a boyfriend when I was maybe 5. When I have talked to therapists about it they agree it was abuse but have never really sought to delve in to it...I of course don't want to talk about it and at times feel like a pretend victim because it was my mom. Interestingly, this same boyfriend broke up with her because he found out that she was giving me drugs before she was doing this ( I guess to calm me) and he thought that was wrong (Weird morals there) and the abuse stopped then.
My siblings and I had to go through psych evaluations during the custody battle between my parents, and they were so hesitant to say that the things my mother did were considered sexual abuse, even though had it been my father who did them and not my mother, there would be no question of whether or not it was sexual abuse.
It is so frustrating to deal with, because even the people who are trained to recognize sexual abuse do not want to admit that it happens, even though my brother, who received most of it, displays so many of the symptoms of someone who was sexually abused. And because it was treated like it was just "normal" abuse, there was no push to get him into counseling, or any push to charge her with any crimes.
I don't know how this attitude can be changed, but I really wish it would be. My brother is 20 now, and is mocked so much for having no desire for romantic/sexual relationships, but how can he explain why?
Sometimes it seems as though humans so need to hold on to their proverbial sacred cows that they fight desperately to avoid any information that might force re-evaluation. This is one of the saddest examples. The existence of female sexual predators has been generally-enough known for decades (Sybil, for example), and yet the idea of Woman/Mother as the default passive, nurturing, protective counterpoint to male aggression still produces an unholy amount of cognitive dissonance.
The only way female sexual predation can be honestly examined and dealt with is if those with firsthand knowledge feel able to speak out. I'm grateful and amazed that this site provides what some feel to be a safe forum for exposing one's experiences in such a powerful way.
I have always been disgusted and infuriated by the movie "Rambling Rose" with Laura Dern. In one scene she climbs into bed with a young man, who proceeds to touch her in a sexual manner. I mean, if the roles were reversed the movie would be black market, underground, illegal child porn.
I was raped by another woman when I was in college (I went to a women's college) -- the woman was a friend of mine, who was having some serious emotional problems after a bad breakup with her girlfriend. She came over to my apartment hysterical and crying and had been cutting herself, and I tried to comfort her and talk her down and be a good friend to her: she was friends with my two other suitemates as well. She said she didn't want to sleep alone so I said she could sleep in bed with me. In the middle of the night I awoke to her fingerbanging me, needless to say, without my consent. I had to idea how to handle this and just felt so weird and embarrassed about it and upset that my friend would do this to me that I just rolled away from her and tried to feign sleep, and then got up as soon as my alarm went off to go to class. The next day I ran into her at lunch and she made a crack about "did I enjoy" her sleeping over, etc. I truly felt paralyzed and didn't know how to respond, and felt sort of even MORE existentially disenfranchised about the whole thing because a) it was my friend and b) she was female. I only told one other friend of mine about it who immediately identified what had happened as rape, and for some reason that made me feel worse at the time instead of better. I never pressed charges or told anyone else, and actually maintained contact with my "friend" and half-rationalized her behavior as due to her extreme mental state. Having distance from it now I definitely define what happened as rape: I also know that you can never say how you will react to abuse happening to you, and that people who criticize victims' responses to sexual assault (I'm looking at you, Linda Hirshman) need to STFU.
Dominic Carter, an anchor on our local NY1 station wrote a moving memoir about overcoming sexual abuse by his Mom. She was very mentally ill, but the stigma of maternal incest is pretty intense thing to put out there. I only wish he had written more specifically about what helped him get through it...
A friend adopted the baby of a teenager whose mother whored her out when she was 9 for drug money. Technically the mother didn't make the actual sexual contact, and drugs complicate the issue, but still. I'd consider that assault by her mother.
Also, check out the YA book "Boy Toy" by Barry Lyga. Very well written story from the point of view of a teenage boy whose female, married teacher convinces him they are in love.
When I was in grad school, one of my closest friends wrote an op/ed for the campus paper about surviving child sexual abuse in response to some events and controversy that had been happening on campus. Because his story was focused on broader themes of forgiveness and healing, he purposefully didn't specify which parent abused him and kept it pretty vague. When it was published, we discovered that a copy editor had taken it upon herself to insert pronouns and even at one point changed "My abuser..." to "My abuser, who was my father..." Except my friend's abuser was his mother. And his father had just recently died after a long struggle with cancer, and my friend was horrified to know that people at our university thought his father had done these things to him. My friend was devastated and felt violated all over again. So many people can't get their heads around the fact that sexual abuse can come from women.
@apollonia666: That is a pretty fucking horrible story. One would hope that in that situation a copy editor would run things like that by the original author.
@LaComtesse: To my understanding the copyeditor got chewed out royally, and he said she clearly felt awful about it when she apologized to him personally. The managing editor was going to just issue a correction, but my friend suggested and was allowed to write a second op/ed, explaining the copyeditor's mistake and going further into his reasons for wanting to keep the specifics about which parent it was, and talking about the stereotypes about who sexual abusers are.
My friend's father sat on a jury a few years ago that convicted a woman who abused her son AND daughter. They were in their late teens when it finally went to trial, but the abuse had gone on their entire childhoods. From all accounts they lived a "normal" childhood, with a doctor for a father, a Catholic upbringing, and a loving stay-at-home mother. Thankfully, the jury was able to look past the fact that just because they weren't some poor, alcoholic family from the wrong side of the tracks, didn't mean that they weren't molested by their mother. As someone who as worked in the criminal defense field, I was shocked to learn that she was molesting BOTH genders (usually molesters choose either girls or boys)...but it obviously happens. Molestation breeds molestation. Now, that doesn't mean that all people who have molested go on to molest themselves (in fact, we know that's not the case) - but it's pretty clear that those who do molest were molested at one point, too. So, it clearly makes sense that women would also be abusers, since at one point they must have been victims.
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The damage caused by it still sticks. I'm almost 37 and it still keeps me awake many nights. My personal relationships have suffered because of it. Many of us (grown adults now) struggle with alcohol addiction. It's an ongoing battle. The guilt is the worst. Even though I know I'm not to blame, the shame of it just kills me.
Thanks for letting me share. I'm glad that I'm not alone.
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My male cousin, who is now 24, attended an out-of-state private school in elementary and middle school. He was molested by a female teacher, then in her 20's, when he was 12 and 13. From what I understand, at the time it was treated more like he was in trouble for having sex so young. I just found about this maybe a year ago and I was furious as to how it was handled, and frankly, how lightly a lot of my family seemed to have taken it at the time and still do to this day. I was feeling like the freak for not chuckling a bit and being stunned and disgusted. My family is wonderful in many ways, but I was very surprised by th way some of them reacted to all of this. I am not all that close with my cousin now and he seems, at least outwardly, to be very well-adjusted. However, I'm curious if I truly knew him, if I would be able to see ways in which the abuse possibly affected him.
By the way, the teacher was fired several years ago for doing the same thing to another boy. Sick.
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Hard as it has been to deal with, I feel it's been easier for me than for the men in my life who've been molested/raped by women (father, two exes) because they all had such difficulty naming it as a violation. "I enjoyed it, never felt exploited" etc. It's like the cultural crap about male sexual dominance just added a whole extra layer of denial and confusion for them to work through. It's notable that all three of them struggled with compulsive sexual behavior with women as adults too.
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Like most people, I know several friends and family members who have been sexually abused, assaulted, and/or raped. The sheer number is rather overwhelming, and I can see the many, insidious, long-lasting effects of these incidents, especially of childhood sexual abuse, in the lives of my loved ones. The one male I know who is an abuse victim was sexually abused by his older sister as a young teenager, and it affected his entire life, and the shame of it was so great that he didn't confess it to anyone (and never to his parents while they lived) until 30 or 40 years later. I don't really have a point except to say that it's heartbreaking, and the lack of acceptance of the idea of female abusers combined with (in this case) the stigma against the idea of male victims just makes it incredibly difficult for people to get the help they need.
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There's also the added shame in female to male abuse, because of sexual arousal. Which can happen to anyone being molested or assaulted. It's an automatic response. Not all sexual assault is the violent kind. Which is why it can be so insidious and shameful for those who experience it.
The way things like that teacher above have been made into "acceptable" because of that makes me ill. It never, ever, ever, matters what a child may sexually respond to or want. An adult should NEVER be putting them in that position. Ever. It's wrong and horrible.
And women are just as capable of doing awful things to other people. It doesn't take a penis to be horrible.
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Part of it is that it was a deeper betrayal because it was a parent who hurt me, but an even larger part is other people's view of women as sexual predators. Female on female incest is presented as "hot" in mainstream discussions. I've been kicked out of feminist communities and called an MRA troll for bringing up the fact that women abuse too, even though I pointed out that I nonetheless don't worry when I pass a group of women in the street at night, and that I've never been sexually heckled or groped in public by a strange woman. I've had people insist that my mother is as much a victim as I am - that she only hurt me because a man hurt her first, never mind that I'm pretty sure my great-uncle and cousin who molested me were also victims of childhood sexual abuse. People insist that my abuse by men had to be worse because there was a penis involved - which, in a twisted way, upsets me as a feminist because it works with the assumption that female sexuality is weak and passive.
A male friend of mine was molested by his female babysitter when he was seven. In high school, one of our female gym teachers would surreptitiously fondle herself while she watched us shower.
These things happen, and I believe they happen in numbers far exceeding what most people suspect. And beyond that, I believe that we can talk about female sexual predators without taking away from the seriousness of how society encourages male sexual predators.
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It is so frustrating to deal with, because even the people who are trained to recognize sexual abuse do not want to admit that it happens, even though my brother, who received most of it, displays so many of the symptoms of someone who was sexually abused. And because it was treated like it was just "normal" abuse, there was no push to get him into counseling, or any push to charge her with any crimes.
I don't know how this attitude can be changed, but I really wish it would be. My brother is 20 now, and is mocked so much for having no desire for romantic/sexual relationships, but how can he explain why?
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The only way female sexual predation can be honestly examined and dealt with is if those with firsthand knowledge feel able to speak out. I'm grateful and amazed that this site provides what some feel to be a safe forum for exposing one's experiences in such a powerful way.
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Also, check out the YA book "Boy Toy" by Barry Lyga. Very well written story from the point of view of a teenage boy whose female, married teacher convinces him they are in love.
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