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battleaxonista...is a humorless bitch
05/15/09

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Uhh, the idea that my jacking someone off is 'pleasing' God kind of skeezes me off. God is a perv peeping tom? I firmly believe whatever higher power made 'em for us to use 'em, but I certainly hope he is not particularly invested in us doing it.
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CherriSpryte
05/15/09

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1) Yay Poland, per usual.

2) Polish priests, in my experience, are totally different from American Catholic priests. One of my favorite times in Warsaw was during the student festival, when a huge parade of students dancing in the back of flatbed trucks went by a group of priests. They all immediately started dancing to our music.

3) Catholicism in Poland is MUCH more woman-friendly than (again, in my experience) Catholicism in America. Mary is a BIG deal there, and held in nearly as high regard as Jesus.

4) The anti-birth control policy still sucks like HELL.
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marshmallory
05/15/09

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He wants to make sure there's no "sense of guilt" in sex? The Catholic church is the reason I still sometimes have issues with enjoying sex. You can't teach children that sex is a sin until they get married, then expect them to completely let go of that and embrace the joy of sex as soon as they say "I do". The church needs to change its stance that sex is bad unless you're trying to reproduce if they expect couples to not feel guilty about enjoying it.
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Aesop's Foibles. YES.
05/15/09

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I realize that this is not the point, but the translated excerpt is killing me. It reminds me of the cat commercial from yesterday. "A husband is obliged (after reaching his own satisfaction) to caress his wife's labia and clitoris until she reaches an orgasm....Woman's sexuality is different from the man's one.." Seks in other languages not so seksy, akshually.

I'm twelve.

Anyway, I think this is pretty great. My heathen self has always had this pre-concieved notion that religious couples didn't get to really enjoy their sexuality because of the overarching attitude of the church is that sex is sinful unless you're trying to procreate. So it's nice to know that married couples are in fact able to enjoy eachother and not feel bad or dirty about it. Seks is Good!!
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saintbernadette
05/15/09

@..now it's just Aesop's Foibles.: I haven't read it, but I've always heard that John Paul II's Theology of the Body was pro-sex-enjoyment. For the married folks, of course.
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MissMoneypenny
05/15/09

@saintbernadette: Yeah, I'm pretty sure JPII said something very similar to that quote about pleasuring women.
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J.D.Regent
05/15/09

@MissMoneypenny: yeah this whole thing is def an outgrowth of Theology of the Body movement. there are a lot of them out there. mainly men! Personally the theology of the body makes me nauseous because it is based on gender complementarity and so aggressively heterosexual it makes me shiver. JPII was progressive in some ways, but his "feminism" (he wrote a lot about the dignity of the working woman, the "genius" of women, etc.) is still rooted in insane essentialism.
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sciencerules
05/15/09

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Aww, I think this is a good thing. Not only is the Church supporting the use of one's God-given body and propensity towards orgasms, but this is a good way to put sex into a Catholic perspective, if that's the lens through which you already view the world. Much better than saying "don't do it till marriage, and even then, you won't enjoy it."
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musicpup
05/15/09

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I'm friends with a few (far more liberal) Polish women and I do hope this makes an impact. While some may find it questionable that a man sworn to celibacy is writing this, this is a step in the right direction.
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morninggloria
05/15/09

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His statement that you don't have to have a heart condition to be a cardiologist, compares sex to some sort of illness/disease. So you're the doctor, and I'm doing the Horizantal Heart Attack with my God-ordained husband? And don't cardiologists try to get people to NOT have heart conditions? So is he trying to prevent me from having sex?

Priests are not good at sex or analogies.
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bluebears
05/15/09

@morninggloria: ha. so true.
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nessalicious
05/15/09

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There is an incredibly creepy website called 'Sex According to the Word of God' that I stumbled across at Christmas that goes into this but with a much less positive vibe. I kind of hope I'm the only person who has ever read it's rantings.

It's nice to see a Catholic country/community taking steps towards being a bit more sex positive especially as a Christian/lapsed Catholic myself.
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TheFormerJuneBronson
05/15/09

@nessalicious: I always felt that Catholics were quite sex-positive, at least where married couples were concerned. For some reason, I find it a lot creepier when Protestants attempt to be sex-positive. But I can't put my finger on why. It's like they suffered horrible attacks of the giggles the whole time they were writing the thing.
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onydchic
05/15/09

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"Seks". Best word I've seen today, methinks.
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HillGirl
05/15/09

@onydchic: I really like it too.
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BeckySharper
05/15/09

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This is like having Stevie Wonder teach me to drive.
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morninggloria
05/15/09

@BeckySharper: This is like having Helen Keller teach me to sing.
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tomatoheart
05/15/09

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You know what's NOT hot during sex? The constant fear of pregnancy because you're prohibited from using contraceptives.
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saintbernadette
05/15/09

@tomatoheart: I think that's part of the whole deal, though. If you're in that state of mind where you accept the possibility of getting pregnant as something that's not always completely in your control, and you're adamant about Natural Family Planning (not the rhythm method), you don't stress about getting pregnant. For me, it was a huge weight off of my shoulders.
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morninggloria
05/15/09

@saintbernadette: The biggest NFP advocates in my home parish have EIGHT children.

I know that it works for some people, but I would never listen to them on how to not have a million kids.
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TheFormerJuneBronson
05/15/09

@tomatoheart: Ha! Good Catholics don't worry about getting pregnant. Babies are gifts from God!
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lilredpanda
05/15/09

@morninggloria: Maybe they were using it to find the best times for conception, instead of the best times to avoid conception. It can be used for both reasons.
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morninggloria
05/15/09

@lilredpanda: That's a good point. Maybe they were just pro-people having babies and were touting it as a method that maximized family size while minimizing the amount of getting it on with each other they'd have to do.
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bluebears
05/15/09

@saintbernadette: right, I mean but for me, even if that was my personal philosophy I'd think after about the 4th kid, I'd be worried about getting pregs, I might stress about it you know? There are a LOT of variables there.
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7states
05/15/09

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You know, I can't really snark on this. A book telling Catholic men that it's a good thing to please their wives is okay in my book.
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AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope
05/15/09

@7states: true true. it's a little annoying that they need a Catholic monk who's celibate to give them the go-ahead, though.
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baraqiel
05/15/09

@7states: Yeah, I agree. It seems like this book is actually teaching a relatively healthy view of sexuality - that it's not dirty and everyone gets to come. It sounds a little essentialist, but at least it's a step in the right direction.
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TheFormerJuneBronson
05/15/09

@7states: After they please themselves first, of course. This is still the Catholic Church, after all.
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saintbernadette
05/15/09

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I will say that the Catholic church taught me more about cervical fluid and menstrual cycles than anyone or anything else.

So this makes sense to me.
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ucelluccia
05/15/09

@7states: Agreed. I'm all for more authorities putting emphasis on equal pleasure for both partners!
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AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope
05/15/09

@saintbernadette: Say whaaaaat? What parish did you belong to?! I am dumbfounded. I was raised Catholic and I have no clue what you could mean.
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saintbernadette
05/15/09

@ucelluccia: It's interesting, because they put the same sort of emphasis on Natural Family Planning. It becomes a husband and wife project to take your temperature, keep your charts up-to-date, etc., instead of the wife's job to fill a prescription, take a pill, and suffer the side effects of the hormones.
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saintbernadette
05/15/09

@AtomiClash: When you go to Pre Cana, or "Marriage Camp," as we called it, they spend a half a day teaching you how to feel your cervix, track your cervical fluids and take your temperature to keep up with what stage of your cycle you're in. It was pretty awesome, actually.
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J.D.Regent
05/15/09

@saintbernadette: do you practice NFP? I've thought about it since I hate BC and condoms and don't really mind if I get knocked up, but it seems like such a headache to actually chart all that shit.
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saintbernadette
05/15/09

@J.D.Regent: I do; Taking Charge of Your Fertility is a great book, and it comes with copy-able charts. It's actually kind of fun.
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morninggloria
05/15/09

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I wonder if God and Santa watch us having sex?
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nyc-caribbean-ragazza
05/15/09

@morninggloria:

ha! Santa?!
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morninggloria
05/15/09

@nyc-caribbean-ragazza: God is always watching, and so is Santa. Remember those songs we sing at Christmas? About Santa watching us sleeping and knowing when we're awake?
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bluebears
05/15/09

@morninggloria: Santa and Mrs. Claus are sooooooo kinky. Total voyeurs. I'm not even gonna tell you what they do with the reindeer.
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tomatoheart
05/15/09

@morninggloria: My parents totally convinced me that god was watching everything I did AND that these bad things were somehow video taped and would be shown to everyone in the afterlife to show all my sins. This ended up being quite disturbing to me when I figured out masturbation. I distinctly remember covering my face with a washcloth so he couldn't see me and then at some point i decided enough was enough and I flipped god off while I was orgasming and that was that and I stopped feeling guilty.
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Jack_Burton
05/15/09

@morninggloria:

"Ho!Ho!Holy reach-around!"
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Jack_Burton
05/15/09

@tomatoheart: THAT IS FUCKING AWESOME!
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Kilotwat
05/15/09

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Those who can't do, teach.
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