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    β€œA Roofless House, A Smoky Chimney, And A Quarrelsome Woman.”

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    Image of quickqueenof quickqueenof
    05/29/09

    In reply to β€œA Roofless House, A Smoky Chimney, And A Quarrelsome Woman.”
    SO MUCH PROTEIN for each meal . . . is that why regular people were not fat back in the day? That and only rich people could eat white bread and corn syrup did not exist? Huh.
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    Image of clevernamehere clevernamehere
    05/29/09

    @quickqueenof: Almost everyone in the 14th century would have had periods of hunger and seasons of very limited diets. White bread and corn syrup aren't great, but up until quite recently people ate a lot less and were a lot more active. That's why they were skinnier.
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    Image of Rare Affinity Rare Affinity
    05/29/09

    In reply to β€œA Roofless House, A Smoky Chimney, And A Quarrelsome Woman.”
    In the medieval period Christian brides in England had to vow to be "bonny and buxom in bed and at board."
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    Image of DinaRonson : Elizabeth Cady Stanton DinaRonson : Elizabeth Cady Stanton
    05/29/09

    @Rare Affinity: Only our fair ScarJo manages to be both Boney & Buxom.
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    05/29/09

    @Rare Affinity: How could you vow to be buxom? I don't think there were medieval breast implants, so you were kind of limited to what the good lord blessed you with.
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    05/29/09

    @save jinger: Buxom use to mean "Lively, vivacious, and gay." Gay of course in the traditional meaning of light hearted.So you would not have needed to fill Scarlett's bra cups to be deemed a buxom woman.
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    Image of ladyM2000 ladyM2000
    05/29/09

    @Rare Affinity: I thought buxom meant obedient...
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    05/29/09

    @ladyM2000: It can mean either and since you still had to vow sepaerately to obey your husband I am going with my version.
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    05/29/09

    In reply to β€œA Roofless House, A Smoky Chimney, And A Quarrelsome Woman.”
    I do love it when such writing survives for us to read now. The likelihood that some social aspects have changed since then - zero. Off to click myself through to the actual article!
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    Image of DinaRonson : Elizabeth Cady Stanton DinaRonson : Elizabeth Cady Stanton
    05/29/09

    In reply to β€œA Roofless House, A Smoky Chimney, And A Quarrelsome Woman.”
    Hmmm, seems the menz were stoopid back then.

    Exhibit A): the wife need only "protect him from holes in the roof…make certain that in the winter he has a good fire without smoke, and let him slumber, warmly wrapped, cozy between your breasts, and in this way bewitch him."
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    Image of jennyOH jennyOH
    05/29/09

    @DinaRonson : Desperately Seeking Snark: My husband and I bought a copy of this for 25 cents from a garage sale and lo, greatly were we amused, especially at the line about "couching your husband between your breasts". I occasionally ask him if he wants to be couched. Hilarity.
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    Image of DinaRonson : Elizabeth Cady Stanton DinaRonson : Elizabeth Cady Stanton
    05/29/09

    @jennyOH: Indeed!

    However, us members of the I.B.T.C. would have probs making a couch of our A cups.
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    Image of MizJenkins MizJenkins
    05/29/09

    @DinaRonson : Desperately Seeking Snark: A setee perhaps?
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    05/29/09

    @Ant Girl: Who needs a roof when you have your wife's breasts to protect you from the elements?!
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    Image of Rare Affinity Rare Affinity
    05/29/09

    In reply to β€œA Roofless House, A Smoky Chimney, And A Quarrelsome Woman.”
    I saw a programme on a cookbook written for the medieval King Richard II. Some of the dishes we still serve today such as pears poached in wine. I also liked the look of the goose stuffed with grapes (amongst other things. I also found that my rice pudding is very similar to one described in a 17th century cookbook, the difference being I bake mine in the oven as opposed to on the hob. I gave up on one 17th recipe though whose list of ingredients included fifty gallons of boiling water.


    [www.spirithouse.com.au]

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    05/29/09

    In reply to β€œA Roofless House, A Smoky Chimney, And A Quarrelsome Woman.”
    My ballsacketh must be massaged with goode cheer daily upon the Hour of Vespers. Unless the wyfe is on her moontime, in which she is forbidden to touch her husband's ballsacketh, lest her feminine odors make said ballsacketh irresistible to the tastes of the fearsome cockatrice.
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    Image of BabyJane BabyJane
    05/29/09

    @JessicaLovejoy: Laughing, riding, cornholing!: And remember to always donneth thy Cockbib whilst giving tongue pleasures!
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    Image of NellMood NellMood
    05/29/09

    In reply to β€œA Roofless House, A Smoky Chimney, And A Quarrelsome Woman.”
    I love reading old prescriptive writing like this. It's kind of amazing how little has changed- while I doubt you would find a recipe for green eel soup in a household guide from the 1850s, or the 1950s, you would almost certainly read something along the lines of "she should never question her husband's decisions, because "it rests on him alone to know all."
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    Image of BabyJane BabyJane
    05/29/09

    In reply to β€œA Roofless House, A Smoky Chimney, And A Quarrelsome Woman.”
    Ye Olde GOOP.
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    Image of Etoiles Etoiles
    05/29/09

    In reply to β€œA Roofless House, A Smoky Chimney, And A Quarrelsome Woman.”
    Now I see what I've been doing wrong. I've only been serving 9 meat-based dishes for dinner every night. It should be at least two dozen. Oh, the shame.
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    05/29/09

    @Etoiles: It's a cold winter, you know?
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    Image of Flackette Goes Retro Flackette Goes Retro
    05/29/09

    @Etoiles: See, I couldn't decide if they were suggesting that you serve all of those things at once, or if those are just the items listed under main dishes in the recipe book. The New Yorker needs to clarify.
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    05/29/09

    @Etoiles: Shameful! Your man will not poopeth the required amount to cleanse away the evil.
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    05/29/09

    In reply to β€œA Roofless House, A Smoky Chimney, And A Quarrelsome Woman.”
    I would like to have portions of this read by Alan Rickman.


    (If we disregard the comments about the husband having ultimate final say and exactly which way I'm supposed to have my eyes cast when I walk down the street, I'm wondering if this would be a decent recipe book.)

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    Image of Flackette Goes Retro Flackette Goes Retro
    05/29/09

    @tonightineed is actually Mrs. Ziegler-Spock: That would drive me mad, all the talking through his teeth that he does.
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    05/29/09

    In reply to β€œA Roofless House, A Smoky Chimney, And A Quarrelsome Woman.”
    My mom has been studying our genealogy, and has found a disturbing number of instances of very young teenage girls marrying much older men. In many cases they were the third wife or so after others had died (in childbirth?). A lot of these girls were walking into situations with stepchildren practically their own age, and an old codger husband who was likely to kick the bucket soon. Of course, if she could outlast him, she could in some cases inherit the property and become independent. I cannot IMAGINE being a fifteen year old girl told she needed to marry a crusty old man.
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    05/29/09

    @Flackette Goes Retro: I've been working on my family tree and I've found things equally similar. Four or five wives with 5-10 children each, the next wife married immediately after the death of the previous (typically in childbirth), most of them in their late teens.
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    Image of NellMood NellMood
    05/29/09

    @Flackette Goes Retro: What era are you seeing these marriages in? I really can't imagine what it must have been like to be a child entering into a marriage like that.
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    05/29/09

    @NellMood: I saw it in my family tree in the early 1900s. Same exact situation described above.
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    Image of Triphena Triphena
    05/29/09

    @Flackette Goes Retro: Yes, but is there anyone in your family tree who was won in a poker game?
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    05/29/09

    @NellMood: 18th up to mid-19th century-ish.
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    05/29/09

    @Triphena: I hope so!
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