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Aidan_
07/27/09

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"Savage talks a lot about his own death, and he seems to think he will die without truly making a difference."

Gods, we can only hope.
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NefariousNewt
07/27/09

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He is the living embodiment of the Monty Python "Gumby" skits.
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midwestdesigner
07/27/09

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I am absolutely terrified of this They-person that Savage, Coulter and company keep telling me about. They are pouring rat poison in my water. They are going to turn me gay or possibly into a secret Muslim sleeper cell. They hate America, red meat and my home base, the Midwest!

Gosh, They is scary. Good thing I'm fully warned about the dangers of They.
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MilointheMeadow
07/27/09

@midwestdesigner: I actually wouldn't mind if someone "turned me" lesbian.
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tomatoheart
07/27/09

@MilointheMeadow:

I think Mr. Savage has me turning into one right now
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midwestdesigner
07/27/09

@MilointheMeadow: Well, actually that all was supposed to be sarcastic ... I'd much rather be homosexual than Savagesexual.
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Imogen Quest
07/27/09

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"a man who hates women so much that he won't have sex with them"

It's awfully nice of all the misogynists to refrain from having sex with us. OH WAIT.
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Btwbfdimho
07/27/09

@Imogen Quest (was Percy Bishounen Shelley):

What about
"A man who hates men so much that he won't have sex with them" ?
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Imogen Quest
07/27/09

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"Diversity is a cover for perversity"

Well, that pretty much sums it up, doesn't it. Sad.
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rednrowdy
07/27/09

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what i never understood about michael savage...and still don't...is how he has such vitriol against the gay community, yet he continues to live in san francisco. not that hating on gays is okay anywhere you live, but the guy has enough cash to live wherever he likes, and makes cash by spewing his opinion all over the place, so if you hate the gays so much, why are you still in san francisco?!
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Anna N.
07/27/09

@rednrowdy: One of the weirdest and most interesting things about the article is it says Savage actually once worked in a clinic that served mainly gay men, and saw the beginnings of AIDS firsthand. He has this weird moment, which I didn't include in the post, where he sounds really compassionate toward this guy he knew who got AIDS . . . but then he started advocating for closing bathhouses, and now he is a total homophobe. I don't really understand his trajectory either, but seems like his relationship to SF and the gay community at least used to be a complex one.
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J.D.Regent
07/27/09

@Anna N.: I understood that he pretty clearly suppresses homoerotic feelings within himself? based on his past writings, friendships, admissions, etc?
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rednrowdy
07/27/09

@Anna N.: complex, indeed. he does talk about his early days as a liberal and sums them up to the tune of "i once was a child, but now i am a man". it seems he started swinging way right in the beginning of the 80's, but it seems like it would take a llot more than just the aids crisis to manufacture his current opinion.
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hovy
07/27/09

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Fun fact: Savage's son owns and runs the Rockstar energy drink company. And Savage's wife, until very recently held dual executive positions as the CFO at both Rockstar and Savage's production company. It was only after various LGBT groups found out about this and called for boycotts did the wife cut all ties to her husband's company, and Rockstar made a sizable donation to various LGBT groups and services.
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Penny
07/27/09

@hovy: Money always trumps the moral high-ground, it seems.
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geekgirlliz
07/27/09

@hovy: Rockstar has always held fairly progressive company values re. benefits for LGBT partners and such, it's not like they had a recent change of heart or somesuch. They talk some shit about Michael Savage in press releases.
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J.D.Regent
07/27/09

@hovy: Thank you for that information; I am sad to say I have purchased RockStar juice energy drinks before but never will again.
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kathotdog
07/27/09

@hovy:

Also fun fact - his real name is Michael Weiner. There is nothing savage about this man, he is a weiner.
And I think it was do us all good to never buy Rockstar Energy drinks.
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J.D.Regent
07/27/09

@kathotdog: aw it is so sad and pathetic and transparent to choose the name "savage" to replace "weiner". he seems pretty tortured. if only he could be tortured in privacy without being rewarded with millions!
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sshacker
07/27/09

@kathotdog: Boycotting the son's company for what his father is doing seems unfair. Is there any evidence of the son having the same views as his father?
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J.D.Regent
07/27/09

@sshacker: Well to me what makes it fishy is his wife's involvement in the company and the fact that both Savage Productions and Rockstar share a mailing address. I don't want my money benefitting M. Savage even indirectly.
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sshacker
07/27/09

@J.D.Regent: I didn't realize they shared a mailing address.
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Trai_Dep
07/27/09

@sshacker: Yup. It's much like the wink/nod/giggles that Lee Atwater did claiming, legalistically, that he had no direct involvement with the Willy Horton ads. Buying Rockstar is supporting the wiener lifestyle, for good or ill.
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Zeekster99
07/27/09

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His real name is Michael Alan Weiner. No joke.
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whynotshesaid
07/27/09

@Zeekster99: When I heard that, suddenly his whole career started to make sense.
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nyc-caribbean-ragazza
07/27/09

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I wonder why he changed his last name. Too Jewish sounding? I mean his listeners wouldn't have an issue with that, would they?
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greengrey
07/27/09

@nyc-caribbean-ragazza: He hates himself, and Jews from NYC aren't marketable to the type of people who listen to him.
He's a fake American. Rutroh.
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my cousin is an ape
07/27/09

@greengrey thinks the layout sucks/swallows: He's not a Jew from New York (Jersey, I believe), but there was an article on Slate.com about how Jon Stewart should start using his real last name (Leibowitz).
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07/27/09

@my cousin is an ape: Jon Stuart Lebowitz (although I prefer to call him Hottie Hottie Boombalattie) is from one town over from where I grew up, in Lawrence, NJ. (point of pride)
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Beets.Go.On is the Fat Yogini
07/27/09

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Mr. Savage reminds me so much of my dad, it's eery. And, like my father, he will most likely drop dead of a rage- and paranoia-induced heart attack in the near future.

It's sad, really. He clearly has a brain, but it got twisted somewhere. So much hate, fear and anger is incredibly unhealthy, and, honestly, how do you get to the point where wasting that much time stirring up hate seems like a good idea?
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junkyardarts
07/27/09

@Beets.Go.On is one cold lady: are we related?
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Zwitter
07/27/09

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My partner recently discovered the colorful myriad of conspiracy theories that aging white men may hold. Nearly every day he'll come to me going "this guy online started rambling about "chem-trails", what are those?" He seems fascinated that anyone could believe this stuff.

He brought up a good point yesterday, though -- for all that many of these ultra-conservative shut-ins are foaming at the mouth over their "civil liberties" being stolen (and describing the injustice of paying income tax in terms of sexual assault! which makes me wonder how them have ever actually been assaulted!), most of them will turn around 2.5 seconds later and tell you that we should bar minorities/gays/women from basically having any rights to do anything ever.
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Gretchen is a new kitten mom!
07/27/09

@Zwitter: "Rights" are a conservative privilege in their eyes. In other words, for white males only. They 'justify' this by using the lame old argument about our founding fathers being white and male.
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Zwitter
07/27/09

@Gretchen (Newly sprung from the medical slammer!): Exactly! As fun as it would be to create/participate in a political party that was in favor of giving Zwitter-and-friends all the money/rights/benefits in the world, there are obviously problems with an ideology that suggests that this is anything but hideously selfish.

It's amazing how the word "privelige" can sum up the many things wrong with Savage's views. Thanks for that.
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crazy_lady
07/27/09

@Zwitter: OMG, my mother recently started ranting about chem-trails. I told her to quit talking before she even started - I could tell it was mumbo-jumbo. So, now, what the hell is it really?
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Zwitter
07/27/09

@crazy_lady: Near as I can understand, it has to do with believing that the exhaust contrails left behind in the sky by airplanes, are actually composed of some dangerous/psychoactive chemical with which the government is deliberately dosing its ignorant population. What those chemicals are supposed to DO to you is debated by the paranoid and otherwise schizoid.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrails
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Gretchen is a new kitten mom!
07/27/09

@Zwitter: I'll bet it is a new drug that makes us all love our televisions and fixates us on the current season of Idol instead of politics.
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Zwitter
07/27/09

@Gretchen (Newly sprung from the medical slammer!): If this be the case, then those so-called "tetanus" shots I got when I was little must have been meant to secretly render me immune to those pesky chemtrails ;) Probably the Zionist Elite helping out one of their own.

I made a joke to my partner yesterday about "lizardmen running the government" and he rolled off the bed laughing. I think he's old enough to learn about David Icke now.
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meritxell: an erotic life
07/27/09

@Zwitter: Ugh, I heard this same shit from a bunch of hippies I used to live with, except instead of chemtrails it was the alleged mind control properties of fluoride in the water. Shades of Dr. Strangelove with that crew.
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crazy_lady
07/27/09

@meritxell: Holy crap, my mother has ranted to me about avoiding fluoride treatments at the dentist. She's so wacky. Um, yeah. No worries, I'm up to date with all my dental work and vaccinations.
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whynotshesaid
07/27/09

@crazy_lady: I ended up backing slowly out of the anti-war movement because I ran into too many people who believed these things. I'm all for radical politics but they have to at least be based in reality.
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geekgirlliz
07/27/09

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He also published the name and address of my lawyer neighbor after she defended an unpopular criminal such that she received death threats that would have made me go into hiding (she didn't). She's one of the bravest women I know personally.
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Penny
07/27/09

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I think he thinks too hard about being a bigot. He's, like, the over-educated, blowhard bigot. I'm with you Anna, if he's going to spew garbage, he may as well really commit.
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sequined
07/27/09

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"a man who hates women so much that he won't have sex with them"

Ah, now I understand!
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Anna N.
07/27/09

@sequined: It's a lot of work, having sex with every single person you like. But it's the only way to show you don't hate them!
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Sputnik_Sweetheart
07/27/09

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Punk-loving? As in punk rock?

That reminds me of a former classmate who was a Republican Dubya groupie who also LOVED Bad Religion. I guess neither listen to the lyrics much.
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Anna N.
07/27/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: Yes he loves punk rock.
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thegogglesdonothing
07/27/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: If you've heard his show, it'd likely make more sense. His style of speech isn't the typical Limbaugh/Hannity mild outrage-with-occasional shouting tone - it's more akin to a full on manic episode.

There's probably an interesting story to be done on the affinity for punk/hardcore among right-wingers. I remember a Rolling Stone article about 8-10 years ago about white-power hardcore where several of the bands said that they were modeling their musical style and career trajectory on Fugazi (and yes, they were aware of the band's politics).
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Hiroine Protagonist
07/27/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: Flat Earth Society should have given him a clue.
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meritxell: an erotic life
07/27/09

@thegogglesdonothing: Yeah I kind of... get it. I mean I don't associate punk with right wing politics AT ALL, but I can see how they'd relate to the anger and probably feeling "persecuted" for their beliefs.
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