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lilad
05/19/09

In reply to Meghan McCain Talks Sex, Marriage With Colbert
If she's pro-life it's because she thinks abortion is murder. While I don't personally believe that I have an easy time seeing how someone would.

You don't think you should have the right to kill your (born) children, do you? To her it's the same thing.
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Jack_Burton
05/19/09

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Look out, Palin.
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The HZA.
05/19/09

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Part of me wonders how much she really wants to change the GOP and how much she is being pushed to be this mascot for change.
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ImproperDancing
05/19/09

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I think that may have just been one of the most logical arguments for gay marriage I've ever heard.

Also, I think that she is doing the pro-life thing in the "right way." I'm not 100% sure on her stance on abortion, but she has the right idea that if you don't like abortion, then teach kids to not get pregnant.

Logic. Who knew?
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Flackette Goes Retro
05/19/09

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The same principles that lead me to be pro-choice lead me to be pro-2nd amendment. Both of them have to do with things that can be useful, can be traumatic, can be necessary, have existed for a long time and aren't going away anytime soon. The way I see it, the government doesn't have a right to interfere with either. When the GOP realizes that their emphasis on "individual freedoms" needs to include things like women's bodies, I will re-evaluate them. As it is, I voted for Obama because I saw the GOP as the party that wanted to curtail my rights the most in the past election.
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jgh
05/19/09

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This clip reminds me of what a great interviewer Colbert is - his facetious questions actually get his subjects to clarify what they're saying in a very concise, non-BS way.
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7states
05/19/09

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I am still not impressed with her. Her "remember how I went to Columbia?!" guest spot on The View and her twitter tirade over how much she's already done with her life (her work experience involves a couple of high profile internships because of her last name and dad's blogger during the campaign) are just some of the reasons why.

Great - you don't hate gay people. Why do you stay in a party that continues to treat homosexuals like second class citizens?
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Pittsburghenne
05/19/09

@7states: Sigh. I ask my two close gay friends who are Republicans that same question all of the time.
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Ipomoea
05/19/09

@Pittsburghenne: I have gay Republican friends, and they've flat-out said that they vote based on their tax bracket. They own houses together, are using our state's domestic-partnership laws, but vote Republican because they're pretty wealthy and want their money to remain their money, apparently.
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EsmereldaFitzmonster
05/19/09

@7states: Just to be the devil's advocate here-- though she probably got her internships because of her last name, that doesn't mean she didn't learn, achieve and work hard once she got there.

I certainly agree with you though, I find her very problematic.
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Pittsburghenne
05/19/09

@Ipomoea: That's what my friends say as well. I never thought of myself as an idealist, but unless the Democrats somehow hiked my income tax bracket to 70%, I'm sticking with the party that isn't ashamed of my existence.
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Laulau
05/19/09

@Pittsburghenne: Hearted.

One of my dear friends used to work for the RNC, and apparently they'd constantly wonder why they didn't have the African American vote, given the closer match of their respective social values. I love her, but I said blankly: your party harbors bigots.
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IamnotStarJones
05/19/09

@Laulau: but how can the GOP not know this? Don't they see and hear what we do? How could a political party be so willfully obtuse?
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Laulau
05/19/09

@IamnotStarJones: What drives me nuts is that it took two crazy wars, a global recession, and people suffering in the streets for such a willfully ignorant party to lose power.

@Erda: I'm originally from Michigan, too! I agree with you that the "Black people are conservative!" view is reductive, but frankly, I just think the fact that socially conservative African Americans tend to vote Democrat anyhow gives me hope in basic human intelligence. It's a continual head-scratcher for me that so many poor white people vote Republican.
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YourScreenplaySucks
05/19/09

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"Traditional morality" has always been part of the Republican platform. That's why they're called "Republicans" and not "Libertarians". Which may be where she belongs.
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YourScreenplaySucks
05/19/09

@Your Screenplay Sucks: Which is to say "it's small government!" has never been the only litmus test for conservatives. McCain appears to have zero grasp of her party's history or philosophy. No wonder Democrats like her so much.
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dumblonde
05/20/09

@Your Screenplay Sucks: Traditional morality has only been an important part of the Republican platform since Reagan realized he could launch an extremely succesful conservative movement and take the Christian right along with him.

It's a very recent tendency. Back in the day the Republican platform had little to do with a conservative social agenda.
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YourScreenplaySucks
05/23/09

@dumblonde: That's incorrect. Republicans positioned themselves as guardians of social morality ever since traditional social mores started breaking down in the 60's.
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victoriasauce
05/19/09

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Being anti-choice doesn't epitomize the Republican ideal of small government either.

I'm not jumping on the "Meghan McCain is awesome" bandwagon any time soon. She's just as much a hypocrite as, well, most Republicans.
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Flackette Goes Retro
05/19/09

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She reminds me of me in college - trying to reconcile my (then) GOP membership with what I saw in a party that was increasingly veering toward social conservatism. Ultimately, it became too much and I bailed a couple of years ago. I hung on for a while, trying to fight the good fight to reshape a party whose fiscal conservatism I believed in into something more palatable to my liberal social attitudes. I would still go back if the GOP would drop the crazy pandering to far-right Evangelicals and general crazypants morality policing. I believe in small government, yes, but that means keeping government out of the private lives of citizens - including their marriages and uterii. So, good luck Meghan. It beat me, but maybe you have a better chance since you have a platform.
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PreposterousHypothesis
05/19/09

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I'm registered "independent," so I'm a wishy-washy moderate who can be smooth-talked. If the GOP decides to wise up and go back to ideas of fiscal conservatism and SMALL government (as in staying out of my business and not taking all my money), I may, just may, be able to hop on board.

Of course, right now I don't hold out much hope for them, seeing as how the party gets more wackadoodle by the day, and I'm pretty much good with Obama's plans as of now.
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hortense
05/19/09

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But the government can still interfere in a woman's right to choose? This is where she loses me.
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jgh
05/19/09

@hortense: I'm not convinced she's really pro-life - does she think Republicans are not ready for a pro-choice and pro-gay makeover?
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baraqiel
05/19/09

@jgh: But part of the problem with that is that if you actually look at the range of options with regards to economic systems, for example, that are in the world, BOTH of our parties are center-right. The main things that divides them are social issues. Also, while politicians of both parties are often lying snakes, somehow the Republicans manage to be a little bit snakier than the Dems.
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Flackette Goes Retro
05/19/09

@baraqiel: Yes, America honestly doesn't have a true left-wing party like you might find in Europe.
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inabook
05/19/09

@hortense: I'm going to give her the benefit of the doubt here, and think she's one of the people who thinks its murder. Doesn't mean I agree with her, but means there would at least be some logic to it.

Although, if anyone has actual links to her talking about abortion more in depth-- I would love to read them.
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Ipomoea
05/19/09

@hortense: @inabook: I am dismayed by her defining herself as "pro-life"-- is she anti-choice, or is she pro-safe, legal, and rare abortion? I would love to see any links where she discusses this, and I'd love to see her address it in a column.
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PrarieMuffin
05/19/09

@hortense: This absolutely kills me too. "Oh, we want the government to be small enough to stay out of your bedroom, but just big enough to fit into your uterus."
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hortense
05/19/09

@jgh: She has said before that she believes life begins at conception.
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rednrowdy
05/19/09

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i'd be mr. colbert's pro-sex woman. no problem at all. sign me UP.
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baraqiel
05/19/09

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I still don't get her. She has reasonable explanations for all of her stances except two:

-Being anti-choice

-Believing in the Republican party

Although, at least she justifies the former by claiming it's an inherent part of the latter. But considering how the rest of the GOP has reacted to her, I have no idea why she's so intent on saving that party.
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jgh
05/19/09

@baraqiel: Let's be real: because it's her father's party.

I wish she could give a consistent intellectual/ideological explanation for why Republicanism is still the answer to society's ills but I think it boils down to the fact that it's her family's party. And there's nothing wrong with that, per se, but it's dishonest for her to not be upfront about that.
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Laulau
05/19/09

@jgh: Also, she's wealthy. Small government works pretty well for the wealthy.
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jgh
05/19/09

@Laulau: That, too. She shuts down about any questions about her wealth.
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baraqiel
05/19/09

@jgh: Right, exactly. If her father dies, would she switch? I can honestly say that I have no particular allegiance to the name of Democrat. If, by some crazy happenstance, the Republican party started honestly standing for everything I believed in and agreed with, and the Democrats started doing stuff I didn't agree with, I'd switch in a hot minute. All this stuff she was talking about how the GOP can be a safe place for queer people -- maybe the GOP in your head, honey. Not the one out here that the rest of us are dealing with.
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Ipomoea
05/19/09

@baraqiel: Didn't she register as a Republican as a gift to her dad?

I like her stances on some things, but I want to hear her give a reasoned explanation for her pro-life stance. Is she pro-life or is she anti-choice? I mean, I'm not running around in an "abortions are #1!", but I think they need to remain safe, legal, and accessible. I don't like a lot of things that I think should remain legal. Is that essentially her stance and she's sticking with "pro-life" so she appeals to more republicans?
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texanbelle
05/19/09

@baraqiel:

you can't really say that the democrats are doing everything for gay marriage issue.
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baraqiel
05/19/09

@texanbelle: In this country we have the choice between slow progress (the Democrats) and regression (the Republicans). Pretending that the GOP is just as friendly to any minority as the Dems are is ludicrous. The Dems aren't great to the queer community, to women, to people of color, to the poor, to any marginalized group. But they're WAY better than the Republicans. Of course they're not "doing everything for gay marriage issue" -- no one group is "doing everything" -- but to say that the GOP is a safe place for queer people? Absurd.
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Betsy
05/19/09

@baraqiel: "Small government" =/= Being anti-choice, pro-abstinence or anti-gay marriage. I suppose she identifies with the former. It's understandable that Americans struggle with separating these stances, but they're not intrinsically related to each other.
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baraqiel
05/19/09

@Betsy: But that's also not what the GOP stands for any more. It hasn't realistically stood for that since before Reagan, at least. All of these people who support the Republicans and say they're doing it because they believe in small government and fiscal responsibility must be delusional because they party they're supporting has been acting opposite to those principles for decades.
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tabitha06
05/19/09

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It was very distracting to listen to her. She has that Paris Hilton "that's hot" accent and ends her sentences like they are questions even when they are not.
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Ipomoea
05/19/09

@tabitha06: As my linguistics professor would say, she uptalks, which apparently is a common thing in the West? And is characteristic of younger speakers?
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inabook
05/19/09

@tabitha06: Ug, I do the raising the voice thing. I am trying very hard to overcome it, as I doubt its awesome to be a lawyer who does that (which I'm not, yet, but will be!). When I get relaxed though, I have a voice which is strangely monotone except for raising at the end all question like.
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Schm
05/19/09

@Ipomoea: I have not heard of this before, but I think I do this =/. Probably one of the side effects of being California born & bred.
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Schm
05/19/09

@tabitha06: Yeah, I think she was really nervous on top of that too. I actually think she could be a force to reckon with if she were just a little more coherent with her arguments and not as vapid-sounding.
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