I have an extremely beautiful good friend. I like to consider myself and all my friends pretty, but she really is in a different league. Sometimes when we're at a bar, and the 5th guy has come up and talked to her, I have to remind myself that it's really not her fault at all, that she's a nice girl, and she's not trying to make me feel bad about myself, that that's my doing. I also get extremely uncomfortable having her hang out with any of my boyfriends. But again -- not her fault.
I agree with the letter writer. I've been on both ends of the situation among women friends, and I think it's good she brought up this discussion, since a lot of people seem to be flat out denying that this exists among women. #meganfoxhate
@judgingamy: I agree as well, this definitely does happen.
I don't think that's why Megan Fox annoys me, I just find her annoying. And I think that she takes it to the extreme "Blah blah - I have no girlfriends, they ALL hate me"
No. You could still find yourself some girl friends if you were nice. Case in point - judgingamy is friends with a girl who's extremely beautiful, even if sometimes she does get a little jealous. #meganfoxhate
@judgingamy: Well said. I agree with you as well. I've been on both sides of the coin. I was the late bloomer in high school who was the "funny" one in the group, but when i got to college and finally filled out, it was horrendous how i got treated by my supposed friends. But it's one of those tricky things that you really can't acknowledge or talk about that as the reason, because you will be instantly accused of being full of yourself or the dreaded "conceited". And like you, i now have a really beautiful friend who gets attention everywhere we go, and i have to remind myself that none of it is personal and that she's certainly not doing anything to me. And that i definitely shouldn't feel bad about myself.
Competitiveness exists. Jealousy and pettiness exists. It is important that we have this discussion because denying it, or confining it to high schoolers ala Mean Girls really deepens the problem i think. #meganfoxhate
@judgingamy: I like what you have said. And I would like to add that you are clearly a confident and mature person able to detect your own bias and not let it ruin your relationships. Where other women may not have that confidence and self awareness and their bias will disrupt the relationship. #meganfoxhate
What pisses me off about Fox, is not that she's hot (after all I dont have the same aversion towards Angelina Jolie, or Jeniffer Conolly, Penelope Cruis, Susan Surrandon, Fanny Ardant, etc), but that she is the embodiment of what SOCIETY wants us to see as hot.
furthermore, what bothers me about Fox, is not that she has had numerous plastic surgeries to embody this ideal magazine beauty (after all I dont have a problem with, and infact LOVE Rose McGowan, CHER, and Rachel Weisz-- two women whose beauties have been exremely altered), but that she has no sense of humor or humility about it.
Again, what makes my blood boil at the sight of her, is not that she is an attractive girl who lacks any acting talent, but seems to get by on her looks-- at least when it comes to movies (After all I LOVE kate Bekinsdale, and Kiera Knightly, and to a lesser extent Scarlet Johanson), but that she seems to think she doesnt get roles because she is beautiful, and because all of us ladies are intimidated by her extreme Maxim-ized beauty.
not true-- while I admit, at 27 years old, I sometimes look at young girls, and get stabby feelings about my fleeted youth, I dont HATE them, or treat them badly or wish that they fail.
I think women (and many MEN) dislike Megan Fox because she is a not-so well manufactured sex bomb- who at first aspired to be the new Jolie, and when that didnt work out she decided to blame it on us being jelous--
@lavenderstain: Both Megan Fox and Jessica Biel have claimed they are denied parts because they are too beautiful. I always get confused by that argument, because that suggests that unattractive people get parts in Hollywood. If everyone in movies is beautiful, then beautiful people are able to get parts. Charlize Theron, Angelina, Halle Berry, they all get parts and are exceedingly beautiful. So however you feel about Megan Fox, the argument just doesn't hold water. #meganfoxhate
@mommy_dearest: Sure it holds water. It depends on the part, and the way you are attractive. Megan Fox is, by industry standards "bombshell" pretty, not "sweet" pretty like say, Sandra Bullock or Reese Witherspoon. As a result, if Megan Fox wanted to play a sweet, girl-next-door type role, she wouldn't get it because she's too sexy. Also, because she's sexy, the industry thinks that audiences wouldn't find her believable in a "smart" role, like they give Jodie Foster. Marilyn Monroe had this problem all the time. It's why she married Arthur Miller, because Arthur Miller knew she was more than just sexy. #meganfoxhate
I have a confession. I hate Megan Fox's stereotype because of the kind of beauty it represents.
Her "guy" appeal is obvious (no one had to ask if the lesbian content of "Jennifer's Body" added a deeper meaning to the plot). But more than just being attractive to the male half of our population she represents something that is more than impossible to achieve. She is the Lolita-esque young girl both playing with the power she has over men and often ignorant of same said power. She represents something that none of us can be. She has essentially become the standard of that quality (and also of course physically stunning).
I do not hate Megan Fox. We all know deep down she wakes up with bed-head and morning breath and goes about her day like a regular girl (or at least a regular movie star). But when she gets on screen her characters do not reflect that. They do not have insecurities. They do not have flaws. They do not reflect US. Why would we want to go see her in a movie? Moreover why would anyone EXPECT us to go see her in a movie?
Rejecting an impossible stereotype is not the same as being jealous of it. #meganfoxhate
Actually, I agree with the letter writer. She does make an excellent point. I think because this is a feminist site and so many of us are pro-woman/pro-choice we are often encouraging of one another, supportive, and treat each other with respect. And when someone goes wrong either being ageist, sizeist, sexist, racist, or anything that smacks of being homonormative someone else hops in and points the (right) way. And I would assume that many of us in our lives surround ourselves with those who share the same ideals and values. But that doesn't mean that all women everywhere share our world view and it is rather narrow of us to beleive that.
There is girl-on-girl and even woman-on-woman crimes that go against the grain of feminist ideals. There are women/girls who will hate on another woman/girl simply because of her looks. Women/girls will make assumptions about other women and put them in a tight box for the way they look. Think of fuller women and the hell that they pay because of how they look. Same applies to "beautiful" women but no one listens when they speak up about their experience because they are "beautiful". If your pretty you can't complain. If you complain because your pretty then its your own fault or its all in your head, either way pretty girls should shut it and keep being pretty. Sorry I wrote forever but I really believe the above average women have their own cross to bear (also I can't find the post but we did discuss this here once). As for Ms. Fox, leave the child alone. She has her own experiences that colour her actions and veiw of the world. Better to be supportive and understanding than damning and judgemental. Your not her so you don't know her life experience. #meganfoxhate
Right, I was all set to say, "Letter writer is craaazy" but all over this thread there are people who feel the need to point out that they don't think MF is attractive anyway.
Jeez, is that the point? Because that kind of makes it seem like letter writer AND MF have a point about jealousy.
I think this is the usual patriarchal crap... women have to be twice as good as men just to not be told they're a waste of space. Okay, Megan Fox isn't philosopher of the year. I'm not, and I definitely wasn't when I was 23. Give people some room to be a little obnoxious, many, many people grow out of it. #meganfoxhate
How bout I don't like her b/c I don't care about her and don't know anything about her except young men want to fuck her like she's the secodn coming. I haven't seen any of her movies, she hasn't done or said anything worth paying attention to. she may as well be a computer model of a hot chick for all the human she seems to be. #meganfoxhate
Women can be mean and awful to each other, and I suspect Megan Fox got Mean Girled HARD when she was in high school (her Wiki entry mentions she was bullied, was a late bloomer, and she left early) and never quite bounced back -- I don't think she's had the chance, going from cutthroat high school straight to false, superficial Hollywood. That and I think she's now slightly afraid of women, based on that experience, and so hasn't had the chance to alter her thinking with good female friendships.
I also kind of wonder if adult female reaction to her has something of the false FOX "fair and balanced" dichotomy, where you level the field by acknowledging a positive but then also present a negative. "Megan Fox is gorgeous, but I hear she's a nightmare to work with" or "She's stunning, but stupid" or the backhanded "she looks like a pornstar" comment.
When it comes down to it, though, pretty girls sometimes have it rough -- and often, it's so subtle that it can be overlooked by others. The sisterhood does eat its own sometimes. #meganfoxhate
This feels like a complex version of the pat on the back my mom used to give me when i came home from school saying that I'd been picked on.
"they're just jealous, honey."
As someone who finds Megan Fox to be someone whom I will never meet and whose public image means nothing to my personal life, the idea that people have heated emotions about her in either direction is mind numbing.
Sure, if you're a fan, be a fan. I am not a fan of Kathy Griffin, so I simply don't pay any attention to her. In the end, attention, negative or positive, is fueling her public appearance and keeping her career at a boom, regardless of her obvious lack of real, raw talent as an actress.
Maybe I've missed something, but I'm pretty sure we still have free will. Be a conscientious objector instead of a hate monger. I'm really not sure why this became an issue. #meganfoxhate
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I agree with the letter writer. I've been on both ends of the situation among women friends, and I think it's good she brought up this discussion, since a lot of people seem to be flat out denying that this exists among women. #meganfoxhate
11/13/09
I don't think that's why Megan Fox annoys me, I just find her annoying. And I think that she takes it to the extreme "Blah blah - I have no girlfriends, they ALL hate me"
No. You could still find yourself some girl friends if you were nice. Case in point - judgingamy is friends with a girl who's extremely beautiful, even if sometimes she does get a little jealous. #meganfoxhate
11/13/09
Competitiveness exists. Jealousy and pettiness exists. It is important that we have this discussion because denying it, or confining it to high schoolers ala Mean Girls really deepens the problem i think. #meganfoxhate
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furthermore, what bothers me about Fox, is not that she has had numerous plastic surgeries to embody this ideal magazine beauty (after all I dont have a problem with, and infact LOVE Rose McGowan, CHER, and Rachel Weisz-- two women whose beauties have been exremely altered), but that she has no sense of humor or humility about it.
Again, what makes my blood boil at the sight of her, is not that she is an attractive girl who lacks any acting talent, but seems to get by on her looks-- at least when it comes to movies (After all I LOVE kate Bekinsdale, and Kiera Knightly, and to a lesser extent Scarlet Johanson), but that she seems to think she doesnt get roles because she is beautiful, and because all of us ladies are intimidated by her extreme Maxim-ized beauty.
not true-- while I admit, at 27 years old, I sometimes look at young girls, and get stabby feelings about my fleeted youth, I dont HATE them, or treat them badly or wish that they fail.
I think women (and many MEN) dislike Megan Fox because she is a not-so well manufactured sex bomb- who at first aspired to be the new Jolie, and when that didnt work out she decided to blame it on us being jelous--
at best shes a low rate Alba--
and thats my rant- thank you #meganfoxhate
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Her "guy" appeal is obvious (no one had to ask if the lesbian content of "Jennifer's Body" added a deeper meaning to the plot). But more than just being attractive to the male half of our population she represents something that is more than impossible to achieve. She is the Lolita-esque young girl both playing with the power she has over men and often ignorant of same said power. She represents something that none of us can be. She has essentially become the standard of that quality (and also of course physically stunning).
I do not hate Megan Fox. We all know deep down she wakes up with bed-head and morning breath and goes about her day like a regular girl (or at least a regular movie star). But when she gets on screen her characters do not reflect that. They do not have insecurities. They do not have flaws. They do not reflect US. Why would we want to go see her in a movie? Moreover why would anyone EXPECT us to go see her in a movie?
Rejecting an impossible stereotype is not the same as being jealous of it. #meganfoxhate
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There is girl-on-girl and even woman-on-woman crimes that go against the grain of feminist ideals. There are women/girls who will hate on another woman/girl simply because of her looks. Women/girls will make assumptions about other women and put them in a tight box for the way they look. Think of fuller women and the hell that they pay because of how they look. Same applies to "beautiful" women but no one listens when they speak up about their experience because they are "beautiful". If your pretty you can't complain. If you complain because your pretty then its your own fault or its all in your head, either way pretty girls should shut it and keep being pretty. Sorry I wrote forever but I really believe the above average women have their own cross to bear (also I can't find the post but we did discuss this here once). As for Ms. Fox, leave the child alone. She has her own experiences that colour her actions and veiw of the world. Better to be supportive and understanding than damning and judgemental. Your not her so you don't know her life experience. #meganfoxhate
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Jeez, is that the point? Because that kind of makes it seem like letter writer AND MF have a point about jealousy.
I think this is the usual patriarchal crap... women have to be twice as good as men just to not be told they're a waste of space. Okay, Megan Fox isn't philosopher of the year. I'm not, and I definitely wasn't when I was 23. Give people some room to be a little obnoxious, many, many people grow out of it. #meganfoxhate
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Women can be mean and awful to each other, and I suspect Megan Fox got Mean Girled HARD when she was in high school (her Wiki entry mentions she was bullied, was a late bloomer, and she left early) and never quite bounced back -- I don't think she's had the chance, going from cutthroat high school straight to false, superficial Hollywood. That and I think she's now slightly afraid of women, based on that experience, and so hasn't had the chance to alter her thinking with good female friendships.
I also kind of wonder if adult female reaction to her has something of the false FOX "fair and balanced" dichotomy, where you level the field by acknowledging a positive but then also present a negative. "Megan Fox is gorgeous, but I hear she's a nightmare to work with" or "She's stunning, but stupid" or the backhanded "she looks like a pornstar" comment.
When it comes down to it, though, pretty girls sometimes have it rough -- and often, it's so subtle that it can be overlooked by others. The sisterhood does eat its own sometimes. #meganfoxhate
11/12/09
"they're just jealous, honey."
As someone who finds Megan Fox to be someone whom I will never meet and whose public image means nothing to my personal life, the idea that people have heated emotions about her in either direction is mind numbing.
Sure, if you're a fan, be a fan. I am not a fan of Kathy Griffin, so I simply don't pay any attention to her. In the end, attention, negative or positive, is fueling her public appearance and keeping her career at a boom, regardless of her obvious lack of real, raw talent as an actress.
Maybe I've missed something, but I'm pretty sure we still have free will. Be a conscientious objector instead of a hate monger. I'm really not sure why this became an issue. #meganfoxhate
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