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    12/08/09

    In reply to On Keira Knightley: "Female Jealousy Is A Form Of Lust"
    Is it so hard to believe that it's just frustrating and demoralizing to constantly be reminded that the most important thing is to be beautiful, not talented, smart, funny, etc... just incredibly good looking?

    I actually like Keira Knightley a lot though, I think her acting is fine just fine.
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    12/07/09

    In reply to On Keira Knightley: "Female Jealousy Is A Form Of Lust"
    I actually really like her. She has a sense of humor about herself, has not to my knowledge ever said any of the things the article does, so I can't blame her for it...and I think she was wonderful in Atonement and Pride & Prejudice. She's got more than one expression, it's just fashion shoots don't want that. They never do. She calls it her "constipated" look.
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    12/07/09

    In reply to On Keira Knightley: "Female Jealousy Is A Form Of Lust"
    I'm sorry, did Freud write this article? I was too busy being jealous of Kiera Knightley's overacting through clenched jaws.
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    12/07/09

    @randomnessish: She has to keep them clenched and her lips pursed, or the spiders get out. Keira Knightley is full of spiders. In Pirates of the Caribbean 3: At World's End one of them bit Chow Yun-Fat on the lip during the scene when his character forcefully kisses hers, which is why he looks so authentically startled when he draws back, but they CG'd its legs and mandibles out of the picture.

    This is why I don't like her, jeez. Occam's Razor.
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    12/08/09

    @Sarah Dove: I KNEW IT. Spiders. Makes perfect sense.

    I AM JEALOUS OF KIERA KNIGHTLEY'S MOUTH SPIDERS.
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    12/07/09

    In reply to On Keira Knightley: "Female Jealousy Is A Form Of Lust"
    Kiera Knightly is too boring for me to have an opinion about. Shes like the oatmeal of a breakfast buffet. If shes there, whatever. If she's not, who cares?
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    12/07/09

    In reply to On Keira Knightley: "Female Jealousy Is A Form Of Lust"
    I don't envy Keira Knightley, or any other beautiful woman. My hide gets a little chapped - okay, sometimes very chapped - over being treated like crap for not being beautiful. It gets chapped as all get out when I see little girls going through the same crap. Aren't we supposed to be beyond this?
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    Beets.Go.On is the Fat Yogini promoted this comment Bitingpika was starred Bitingpika was unstarred
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    12/07/09

    In reply to On Keira Knightley: "Female Jealousy Is A Form Of Lust"
    I met Kiera Knightly years ago, when I was interning for a big producer. It was pre her becoming huge; she was doing press for Bend It Like Beckham. She was incredibly sweet, by far the nicest of any of the other celebrities I met around the same time. As a lowly intern, i was used to being treated as nonexistent (or worse), but she engaged me in conversation, asked me questions about myself, and even corrected a producer when he pronounced my name wrong. Were it not for that experience I probably wouldn't like her. She seems really pouty and pose-y. But she was genuinely a sweetheart. (Again, this was years ago, before she got superfamous. I'd like to think she hasn't changed though.)
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    12/07/09

    @whiskeybunny: Oh, that's weird. A friend of mine went to school with her and said that she was a bitch and didn't do that well in school.

    Glad to know that she was nice to you, though :)
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    12/07/09

    @JerkoftheMonth: She probably didn't do that well b/c she's dyslexic.
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    12/07/09

    In reply to On Keira Knightley: "Female Jealousy Is A Form Of Lust"
    Why We Hate Misogynist Generalizations

    I really hate it when attractive women are congratulated for being attractive and mediocre. It's not hard to be attractive; it is hard to do a job well. Women who are ugly or beautiful or regular should be congratulated when they are awesome and nothing less.
    I am both. I accept your congratulations and offer mine in return, as I suspect most Jezzies are both beautiful and awesome.
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    12/07/09

    In reply to On Keira Knightley: "Female Jealousy Is A Form Of Lust"
    "...and while there's some truth in what they say — of course, women can be nasty about one another's looks..."

    You know what? I'm sick of this one and have been for a long time - this stereotype that only women and gay men do body snark. Ever sit in a room full of hetero dudes when a woman's on television? It's like their personal opinions of her fuckability determine her value as a human being. Or go to the superficial and check out one of their celebrity-in-a-bikini posts. Most of those comments aren't coming from women and gay guys.
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    12/08/09

    @snobographer: THANK YOU. I would add, have you ever been the only female in a group of hetero dudes when a woman is on television? Because I have felt down-right threatened at times by their comments directed at the woman on screen.
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    12/07/09

    In reply to On Keira Knightley: "Female Jealousy Is A Form Of Lust"
    I have always liked Kiera Knightley, and I have always been particularly enamoured of her small breasts. For some weird reason.

    I dont know, I just think it is silly to fervently hate someone I dont know. (Stephanie Meyer excepted...I kid, I kid.)
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    12/07/09

    @missmonster: I love that KK seems to have a pretty good sense of humor about not being particularly well endowed. She made some pretty snarky comments in the early Pirate days about having her cleavage painted on every day.

    In my heart though, Keira Knightley will always be a homoerotic soccer player who just wants me to sneak away from my Punjabi parents.
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    12/07/09

    In reply to On Keira Knightley: "Female Jealousy Is A Form Of Lust"
    But I love Keira Knightley.

    What happens now?
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    12/07/09

    @lalie (apologetic mess): If hating her means you really want her, then loving her means you actually want to throw up when you hear her name.

    Or you're a man.
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    12/07/09

    In reply to On Keira Knightley: "Female Jealousy Is A Form Of Lust"
    As a hetero man, I for one am not interested in getting to know every inch of a beautiful woman. There are some I'm just as happy to remain on nodding-in-the-hallway terms with.
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    12/07/09

    In reply to On Keira Knightley: "Female Jealousy Is A Form Of Lust"
    I just really don't understand what's going on with Keira and the banana in the picture.

    Also, the female-female relationship dynamic deserves to be broken down in more creative ways than just jealousy/envy. For some reason, (and I'm not trying to get all Megan Fox here or anything) but I have a hard time having friendly relationships with women. I've tried to look at it from all angles and have tried to see if it was my personality that was the cause. However, even at my nicest, I still manage to attract the scorn of at least one woman. And that scorn spreeeeeads to everyone and soon enough, I'm back where I started. I know it can't simply be broken down to jealousy. But honestly, I would really like to know why.
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    12/07/09

    @Ulookinatmyjunk, JOC: I think it's important to remember that it comes down to interaction with individuals, and their individual feelings about you. Try not to look at it as a problem you have with women, but a problem you have with people.
    Um, I know that doesn't sound very nice either, but what I mean is that I doubt the problem lies in the fact that they ARE women.
    I have problems with people myself.
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    Ulookinatmyjunk, JOC promoted this comment Sarah Dove was starred Sarah Dove was unstarred
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    12/07/09

    @Sarah Dove: I would agree with this, but like Amowls up top, I don't really have a problem with my interactions with men. This is not to say that all men love me or that all women hate me, but I do seem to be the bullied one when there's a bunch of women. Now, I do have a few girlfriends whom I love dearly, but I've been pondering why my interaction with some women is so lackluster. I'm mostly pondering this because I'm presently having a hard time with the women at my job.
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    12/07/09

    In reply to On Keira Knightley: "Female Jealousy Is A Form Of Lust"
    Does anyone still care about Keira Knightley, let alone hate her? I mean, I don't think she's a bad actress but I have only seen her in the Pirate movies and Love Actually. Mention her name to me and I'm like, "Oh, yeah the girl from the Pirate movies. What's she up to lately"? I don't know anyone else who hates her either. Why is it that we have to love or hater every female celebrity? Women are capable of being neutral or indifferent.
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    12/07/09

    In reply to On Keira Knightley: "Female Jealousy Is A Form Of Lust"
    *ponders*

    You know, Ms. KK might have a point, thought not quite in the way she thinks.

    It's not necessarily her some more insecure women might resent (especially in situations where bfs/gfs/inappropriately-remarking husbands might agitate that insecurity) -- but, rather, what all the attention paid to her looks gets her, in our society in its current guise where men still have the most control over its resources, and where they respond, sometimes in the most vulgar way possible, to those looks.

    At its most reductive, it strips down to not "What has she got", but "What has she got that I haven't", in a way where the last unspoken clause is "that gets her access to things I might need or want" -- in a society where women are relentlessly pushed to compare themselves to one another and then relentlessly shamed for doing so.

    We had a similar discussion on the Megan Fox thread - it's not how she looks per se, but more about the rewards she gets for looking that way in our society -- and, if one thinks about it in a zero-sum way (husband turns his attention away from you to drooling at her on screen) how many people have to be deprived of what they have in order for her to get what she has.

    Unpleasant, and perhaps unconscious, and certainly regularly unacknowleged by "nice girls" - but not, imo, implausible.
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    12/07/09

    @Rooo sez BISH PLZ: Just to clarify, Kiera Knightley didn't say this about herself; Celia Walden said it about KK.
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    12/07/09

    @Rooo sez BISH PLZ: Do you think that on some level, the fact that being considered societally/conventionally beautiful is not something you can work toward plays into it?

    Meaning, I can be more diligent about housework, learn skills and crafts, pursue multiple degrees, etc. but I can't make myself more naturally physically attractive than I am. Granted, this branches off into the area of beauty consumerism to improve what you have (i.e. emulate these celebrities), and in a lot of ways both ideas are part of a cycle that perpetuates the specter of The Beauty Myth.

    Any fixation can easily veer into lustful territory, whether it be envy of Keira Knightley or what have you. It's a matter of degree--and perhaps once a person reaches that level of fixation, it does become that sort of obsessive, need-to-feed kind of drive.
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    12/07/09

    @aclikeslater: I think if the premise in your first question were true, the economy would collapse with a sound like St Helen's imploding.

    I think your second and third paragraphs are extremely well-put.
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    12/07/09

    @misty_mae: "Ms. Girl and her journalistic observers", then. Is that better?
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    12/07/09

    In reply to On Keira Knightley: "Female Jealousy Is A Form Of Lust"
    While I get that the "all female jealousy is lust" trope can be annoying and fairly male gazey, there can be some truth to it lust masquerading as jealousy for some women.

    The essay "Envy, A Love Story: Queering Female Jealousy" in Bitchfest articulates this well. I think, for some of us (ie myself) becoming aware that our envy is just a patriarchal perversion of same sex lust can be very liberating.

    "Men want to be with her, women want to be her..." Once I started asking myself, "do you really want to be her? Or do you want to be /with /her?" things started clearing up a bit for me.
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