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JudithButlerisGod
02/19/09

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It's Colombia, not Columbia.

Sorry, pet peeve.
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Ailatan
02/19/09

@JudithButlerisGod: Yes, I sent a message to Margaret, it's very annoying.
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Glitterbug (likes life shaken, not stirred)
02/19/09

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I don't like bullfighting, but this woman seems seriously kickass.
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farmersdaughter
02/19/09

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She sounds like she was a very awesome woman. And why does a woman in a male dominated field have an obligation to point out the inherent cruelty of something? Or an obligation to not 'copy' men? She must have loved bullfighting to do it for so long. I give her all the credit in the world for pursuing and excelling at something because she loved it. What an amazing woman.
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msAnthrope
02/19/09

@farmersdaughter:

she has no obligation. however i don't consider somebody "amazing" just because they excel at something they love.
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bowleserised
02/19/09

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Autre temps, autre moeurs. I raise a glass to her, just as I'd raise a glass to the Marchioness of Salisbury, first female Master of Foxhounds in Britain. In 1775.

I don't think I want to fight bulls or hunt foxes myself (largely because of what happens to the hounds although the fact that a gazillion more hours were expended in Parliament on the anti-hunt bill than on the legality of the Iraq war, makes me want to charge out there on a nice Irish horse with a barn owl on my wrist), but brava ladies. Brava.
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msAnthrope
02/19/09

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in this day and age, we should have computerized robotic bulls, similar to the chess masters playing against the computer. it's 2009 people, why do we have to keep acting out the worst of the Coliseum games? we don't need to keep sacrificing live creatures for our entertainment. to me that's the height of decadence and immorality. murder as entertainment.
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wordinedgewise
02/19/09

@msAnthrope: thank you for putting that so eloquently. i wrote a 4 paragraph angry and ramblign response to another commenter on this thread who said they thought bullfights were beautiful, but deleted it before submitting because i don't want to start an argument with someone who obviously does not see how revolting this practice is.
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Hamsterpants
02/19/09

href="#c10842851">msAnthrope: My friend, every time I catch a glimpse of "Flava of Love 2" or "Survivor", I always think to myself that we are one heartbeat away from bread and circuses.
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Hamsterpants
02/19/09

@Hamsterpants: @msAnthrope:
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msAnthrope
02/19/09

@wordinedgewise:

y'know, if the bull actually wore armor, and wasn't injured, if it were more just some kind of "ballet" or something i guess i could see the beauty. but when such pain is inflicted... i'm just oldskool that way, i can't see the beauty in it.
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cwisto moweina has got yer goat
02/19/09

@msAnthrope: I don't think it's an oldskool notion as much as it is being a decent human being.
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Rare Affinity
02/19/09

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I went to a bullfight as a small child. My sympathies even then were with the bull. Just because a matador is female, does not lessen my distaste for an activity which ought to go the way of bear fighting.
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Rare Affinity
02/19/09

@Rare Affinity: Bear baiting.
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Fermina Daza
02/19/09

@Rare Affinity: I've never been to a bullfight, but a lot of people where I grew up were really into that kind of stuff (there's a large portuguese community there). Although, at 5 years old, we had to actually leave the circus because I was inconsolably hysterical over them cracking whips at the elephants.

Also, in regards to bears: I occasionally look at websites devoted to vegetarianism, and now my banner ads are all about toothless bears getting attacked by vicious dogs. It's the worst :(
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aubonpam
02/19/09

@Fermina Daza: I was about to say the same thing. I've seen those bear baiting ads on the NYT website too.
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randomnessish
02/19/09

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She's amazing, even if I don't agree with killing bulls for sport. I wonder what Ernest Hemingway, aficionado of bullfighting, thought of her.
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WaltzingMatilda
02/19/09

@randomnessish: I am sure we can speculate a number of things...
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Lisabel (ne: Dagnabbit)
02/19/09

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Wow, that final corrida story. Awesome.

Also, damn, did Orsen Wells get around or what? Didn't he come up after (also awesome) Eartha Kitt's recent passing? Dubbed her "the most exciting woman in the world"? Kitt and Cintron... maybe I need to pick up an Orsen Wells bio.
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Scout
02/19/09

@Dagnabbit.: to be fair, I don't think many men had a chance against NOT falling for women like Kitt and Cintron.

I just watched an "Evening with Eartha Kitt"

Love(ed) Her!

[www.pbs.org]
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Whiskey and Popcorn
02/19/09

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Hehe, she must have been quite a mom- because you could pretty much end any discussion with, "Well, I FOUGHT BULLS!"
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andromache
02/19/09

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umm.... hooray for being a pioneering woman and everything.

but wtf? why are we celebrating someone who mercilessly slaughtered 750 bulls? all of my favorite history-making women have made history without practicing animal cruelty for a living.
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morninggloria
02/19/09

@andromache dreams in Clive Owenvision: Ok. Good. I'm not the only one who thinks that bullfighting is terrible.
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wordinedgewise
02/19/09

@andromache dreams in Clive Owenvision: thank you and agreed. the idea that the slow and deliberate stabbing of an animal to death in front of a crowd is considered a sport is beyond barbaric and disgusting.

the outfits are cool though.
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morninggloria
02/19/09

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Killing animals in front of people for sport is not my idea of something in which anyone should want to be a pioneer. While I respect her for being a trailblazer, I just wish she would have chosen to apply her grit and determination to something more worthy.

Now everyone start yelling at me.
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thecameralovesyou
02/19/09

@morninggloria: No yelling here. I was gonna write the exact same thing, but see you did it more eloquently than I would.
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Shamrockette
02/19/09

@morninggloria: There won't be any yelling from me, since I wholeheartedly agree with you. Killing animals for sport is a bit wrong, but I'm not going to look down on someone who does it for a living and loves to do it.
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AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope
02/19/09

@morninggloria: I agree completely. Then again, we have to take into account that it was a different era when she began her bad assery.
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wordinedgewise
02/19/09

@morninggloria: i shall commence the yelling. YOU ARE TOTALLY FUCKING RIGHT!
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saintbernadette
02/19/09

@morninggloria: Nah, I agree with you. I was just too scared to write it.
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InCahoots
02/19/09

@morninggloria: I've never been a fan of bullfighting, but don't you think she did put her grit to good use by breaking into a male-dominated sport?
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MizJenkins
02/19/09

@morninggloria: I'll say this...I am generally against killing animals for sport (see, shooting wolves from airplanes) because it's usually not really a sport.

A sport is when it's you + primitive weapon vs. the animal and there's a decent possibility the animal kills you first. Granted bullfights are a little bit rigged, but just enough to make up for the fact that the bull weighs about 100x more and runs about 10x as fast as the matador. Plenty of humans have lost this game, so it evens out in my book.
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msAnthrope
02/19/09

@morninggloria:

you're absolutely spot-on. why must we as women always compare what men are doing in order to say we're equals? copying the worst behavior of males in an attempt to prove we're equals is just more evidence that we still look to men to provide "example." why do we need to do anything men do? why is everything a man does automatically worthwhile?

and bull-fighting? i won't even go there. it would take another couple dozen paragraphs.
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morninggloria
02/19/09

@InCahoots with Zombies:
It would be like if I became suddenly awesome at something usless and sort of gross, like farting the alphabet or kitten throwing. Yes, achievement is great, but some things are not worth achieving.
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cwisto moweina has got yer goat
02/19/09

@MizJenkins: who cares how big and fast and tough the bull is? They didn't consent to the fight. The humans who "lost the game" did. Though shit for them. The bulls who die are tortured to death for entertainment. How does that even out?
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cwisto moweina has got yer goat
02/19/09

@morninggloria: See, but farting the alphabet would be kinda awesome.
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Hamsterpants
02/19/09

@morninggloria: Uh oh. I better not tell y'all about my pioneering efforts in farting the alphabet whilst throwing kittens. Traleblzr, I is won.
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cwisto moweina has got yer goat
02/19/09

@InCahoots with Zombies: Please apply this logic to other male-dominated activities, like rape, so you can see how much it fails.
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I'm Chuck Bass
02/19/09

@morninggloria: I totally agree with you, too. Nobody should be proud of or celebrated for torturing animals for "sport."
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aubonpam
02/19/09

@morninggloria: I agree with you. It makes me fucking sick.
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Scout
02/19/09

@morninggloria: YELLLLLLLLING!!!!!!!!!!!
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boxspelunker
02/19/09

@Scout: LOUD NOISES!
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LaFemme
02/19/09

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I know that it is not very politically correct, but I really love bullfighting. I have been to a bunch in Spain and Latin America and find a good fight really entertaining and, if done well, beautiful.
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Ailatan
02/19/09

@LaFemme: I just love the whole look, you know, los trajes de luces, the little hats, the beautiful shoes. And how graceful and precise the movements are, it's almost like dancing.
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wordinedgewise
02/19/09

@Ailatan: maybe they should just have 2 people fighting each other? then there would be twice the cute outfits and no dead animals. not to mention an evenly matched "fight"!
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andromache
02/19/09

@LaFemme: uh sorry what? you like to watch an innocent animal get cruelly slaughtered merely for entertainment purposes? ok. just checking. you can do whatever you want, I respect your choice, but you're no longer invited to my hippie cuddle parties (which I co-host with morninggloria). your loss, too, since we have kittens and Snuggies.
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cwisto moweina has got yer goat
02/19/09

@andromache dreams in Clive Owenvision: but do you throw them? with the snuggies, like the parachute games played in gym class? If so, can I come?

and ask you lots more questions?
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LaFemme
02/19/09

@andromache dreams in Clive Owenvision: In a fair fight, it should really not be just watching an animal get slaughtered. The bull and the matador should be paired so that the chance of the matador being gored to death is about the same as the bull being killed. The bulls are bred for the fights (my exes family was known in Spain as breeding some of the "best" bulls) and should involve alot of skill on the part of the matador, not just a quick 5 minute fight. I totally understand not liking it, many of my family members do not, but personally I just can't find it in me to get that upset about killing a bulls, and I really like the culture that surrounds the sport.
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MizJenkins
02/19/09

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I knew nothing of this woman but that is BAD ASS. Brava Conchita!!

Also I want that hat with the striped ribbon in the video.
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HeinzDoofenshmirtz
02/19/09

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Why are all these female pioneers dying so close to each other? I think it's a sign that it's time for us to take more action.
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NefariousNewt
02/19/09

@nutellagirl (nigeriangirl): The torch is being passed. However, I'd ask that no woman try to surpass her feats in the ring -- one, they stand alone, and two, bullfighting is another sport that should perhaps run tis course.
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HeinzDoofenshmirtz
02/19/09

@NefariousNewt: I agree about the bullfighting thing, but yeah, we've been getting a lot of pioneer deaths around here.
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sarah.of.a.lesser.god (aka Mrs. BrutallyHonestHobbit)
01/02/09

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I see that Bazaar is menstruating. Guess they went where MoMA was afraid to go.

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