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willwriteforfood
07/08/09

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Yay Massachusetts! Now I'm convinced I want to get married there, just for the symbolism.
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ab33
07/08/09

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Massachusetts fuck yeah! I am always so proud to be born and raised in the Commonwealth.. sadly I now live in Arkansas, which depresses me just about every day (300,000+ people really care enough to vote for a ban on gay adoption, REALLY???).

I wonder what conservative "states' rights" people are going to say about this.
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maryja
07/08/09

@ab33:

I, too,was born and raised in MA and it warms the cockles of my heart to know they are at he forefront of this fight.

Interestingly, I now live in Seattle and often wonder why we, one of the most liberal places in the nation, can't get our act together regarding gay marriages. And then I remember that we are a liberal city surrounded by very conservative state. le sigh...
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NOLA girl
07/08/09

@maryja: As a resident of New Orleans, I totally feel your pain. I often forget that the rest of the state of Louisiana hates us.
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meritxell: an erotic life
07/08/09

@maryja: I hear ya! I mean, I know WA now has "recognized domestic partnerships" which grant (I believe) all the same rights as marriage without the name. However, taking a class in family law where the prof had to say "registered domestic partnerships" after everything having to do with marriage really hit home the point that it's a total separate-but-equal situation.
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Maritsa
07/08/09

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Oooooh interesting. I never thought of this line of attack, that is, a state bringing the suit claiming DOMA interfered with its powers.

Also, fuck you Kris Mineau, this nation is not "very resolute" in support of DOMA.
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Sputnik_Sweetheart
07/08/09

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I have often wondered why I don't leave MA for warmer shores (and nicer driving conditions and cheaper standards of living and... well, you get the idea), but it is times like this that remind me why I stay. I will gladly suffer through nor'easters, massholes, and potholes for a little bit more tolerance.
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willwriteforfood
07/08/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: Oh man, stay where the politics won't give you a headache every day and where you don't fight with your co-workers about whether global warming is real and whether Jesus really rode a dinosaur. (I exaggerate, but only slightly).

Everytime I visit my brother in Somerville, I cry a little when I leave.
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Sputnik_Sweetheart
07/08/09

@Sputnik_Sweetheart: I typed this right before I ran off to my yoga class and on the way to class, I got stuck in detour Hell and was cut off by a guy who ran a stop sign. How fitting.

Just had to keep repeating to myself, "marriage equality, marriage equality, marriage equality..."
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Sputnik_Sweetheart
07/08/09

@willwriteforfood: Yeah, it is a luxury. We have our conservatives here and there in Boston, but even they tend to be the small government, Libertarian types, as opposed to the crazy Birther Christianist types. Logic and reason is just lovely, isn't it?
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lalaland13
07/08/09

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Thank you, Massachusetts. I'm still kind of pissed about Bill Clinton for signing that one. WTF, dude?
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so5minutesago
07/08/09

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Hoorah! Any Jeze-lawyers know if it sounds like they have a case?
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SanFranLefty
07/08/09

@so5minutesago: They have a case. Article IV, Section 1 of the U.S. Constitution is the full faith and credit clause that DOMA violates. The only questions are (1) who are the judges, and (2) will Obama's DOJ fight this up to the U.S. Supreme Court?
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inabook
07/08/09

@SanFranLefty: They aren't going after the full faith and credit angle though-- they're doing a tenth amendment/states rights angle aimed at the federal marriage definition. I WISH they were going after the full faith and credit approach too, but i guess chipping away is better than nothing?
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meritxell: an erotic life
07/08/09

@inabook: No, FF&C would be a terrible way to get DOMA unconstitutional. Other states have marriage laws that make, for example, marrying your first cousin OK, or marrying at 16. If you raise FF&C you basically have to equate gay marriage with first cousins/minors, which is exactly what the right wing wants.

Personally I don't care what people do as long as everybody's consenting, but while you might win on a technical battle (ie., not equal protection, which I think is much more substantive), you are gonna LA-HOOOSE in the court of public opinion.
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Atomic Monkey Mouse
07/08/09

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Makes me proud to be a Masshole, ya know?
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Sputnik_Sweetheart
07/08/09

@Atomic Monkey Mouse: Just about to say the same thing. I love my state.
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meritxell: an erotic life
07/08/09

@Atomic Monkey Mouse: Dude, my sister's planning on moving from Boston to LA. I'm like, stay put! Gay marriage and decriminalized weed! You're not gonna get it any better!
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Dodgergirl
07/08/09

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Um, sorry Massachusetts but the federal government has decided that full faith and credit can only be given to marriages that are proven by the existence of a penis and a vagina. And God told them too, so I think you lose.
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Dodgergirl
07/08/09

@Dodgergirl: My use of "too" there may look like an error, but I actually meant that, in addition to what I like to call America's God, the Moral Majority, the actual God told them too.

I, like the Religious Right, do not make mistakes and suggesting that I do is very immoral of you.
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PrarieMuffin
07/08/09

@Dodgergirl: I would heart you all over again if I could.
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inabook
07/08/09

@Dodgergirl: They aren't actually challenging that provision, sadly, just the federal definition of marriage as between a man and a woman, saying it interferes with state's rights and the 10th amendment.
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JerkoftheMonth
02/04/09

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While it doesn't affect me in the least if they get divorced and I wish them the best of this difficult situation, I gotta wonder how a marriage they fought so hard to be able to have lasted 2 years? Clearly straight and gay people may be too quick to get married if divorce rates are so high. I am totally supportive of gay marriage rights, but how about people not get married ALL THE TIME without seriously considering what a marriage is?

In addition, I should mention that I am prepared to be single forever if I don't find someone I am seriously ready to marry.
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morninggloria
02/04/09

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Wait till I tell all of my young horny male coworkers about the hot, hot girl on girl divorce action!
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ItchykooParker
02/04/09

@morninggloria: Ha! Funny. I love you for this.

I am so sick of the 'lesbian girls for the guys' sake' bs. OVER it.
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BAngieB
02/04/09

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Those damn queers and their equals rights. Look how they have destroyed marriage - next thing you know the straight people will want to be able to divorce.
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AtomiClash: humanitarian misanthrope
02/04/09

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All the best to both of these ladies and their munchkin. I'd be well pissed if my divorce made headlines around the country. Then again, we're all up in everybody's business these days so it's really not surprising.
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morninggloria
02/04/09

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They just Catholic sinned so much that the Pope's head exploded.
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Beat Girl
02/04/09

@morninggloria: Yay! (although they'd have been better/worse if they were men, darn it all)
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Snowbunny
02/04/09

@morninggloria: I bet their wedding was on a Friday and they ate red meat too. The best weddings are and if these ladies are like my gay friends then they only have the best.
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Beat Girl
02/04/09

@Snowbunny: Oh man I forgot that rule! I was brought up Catholic, yet Friday was chinese takeout day. Catholicism Fail.
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morninggloria
02/04/09

@Snowbunny: Vatican II made it "okay" for Catholics to eat meat on Fridays, except during Lent, so that year long restriction hasn't existed in the church at large since the 1950's.

So, I hope that they wed on Good Friday. MORE LIKE AWESOME FRIDAY.
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la.donna.pietra
02/04/09

@morninggloria: My mother-in-law is vehemently opposed to Vatican II and still refuses to eat meat on Fridays. I'm a vegetarian. It works out smashingly :)
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Snowbunny
02/04/09

@morninggloria: I hate when they change the rules just because nobody complies with them.

@Miss Carrie Nation: Personally I always eat fried fish on Fridays because Jesus says I have to. I love fried fish so much, thank you Jesus.
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AuntieBee
02/04/09

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I think the first gay couple to get married in Canada is divorced now, too. No biggie, it's just a part of the marriage package. Some marriages end in divorce, some don't. Some marriages are two people of opposite gender, some aren't.

Ideally, I will never divorce. I thought it sucked when my parents did (except for how they weren't fighting anymore, and how I'm the luckiest kid in the world and my parents' divorce was REALLY amicable, and they are still friends), and I wouldn't enter into marriage with divorce in mind. However, if that's the way the cookie crumbles, or the cards are dealt, or whatever metaphor suits you... so be it. Again, no biggie.
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devilchyld22
02/04/09

@AuntieBee: I think that regardless they're still pioneers and they're still rockstars.

I'm getting married in April, and of course I think about divorce, my husband-elect says it won't happen, but I think you'd be a fool to not think about divorce and all of the what if's. I'm not going to kid myself and think that we'll be together forever. I hope that we will, I hope that our love is the kind that last. But if at some point the love is no longer there, I believe that divorce is a wonderful thing, and I'm glad we have that option. I don't want to use it, but I'm glad it's there. This may or may not be relative, but this is where my train of thought went when I read your post. So, I'm going to go with it.
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Beat Girl
02/04/09

@devilchyld22: I think that regardless they're still pioneers and they're still rockstars.

Agreed... what they fought for/are fighting for is still as relevant whether they're married or not.
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Sleuthy Sleuthstein
02/04/09

@AuntieBee: "I wouldn't enter into marriage with divorce in mind."

Who would?

I'm sorry, but it just really rubs me the wrong way when people say "I'm never getting a divorce," because NO ONE plans on that shit.
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exelizabeth
02/04/09

@Sleuthy Sleuthstein: But I've seen some people enter into marriage a lot more naively than others. They think True Love is enough and is all they'll need.

Clearly, no one thinks they'll get divorced, but I think some people enter into relationships where they have taken actual steps to reduce the likelihood that it will happen.
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ItchykooParker
02/04/09

@AuntieBee: I LOVE what you say about your parents and their amicable relationship and what a lucky person you are. My ex and I are great parenting partners, and we work hard at it, including working hard on enjoying it (outings together so the kids still feel we're a family, etc.). We've done well for 10 years. Our kids are teens, and I hope one day they will feel the same about us as you do your parents. Tell them they did a good job.
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vulcanized
02/04/09

@Miss Carrie Nation: Agreed as well. The couple in Lawrence v. Texas didn't stay together, but damned if they didn't change the world for the better anyway.
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activearchivist is a professional hippy
02/04/09

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Part of me wonders if their fight for marriage rights somehow contributed to their eventual divorce. Legal battles are rarely easy, and it may have stressed their relationship to the point where it was no longer feasible to continue it. I always get sad when relationships end.

That being said: go them for fighting for their rights in marriage and divorce.
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Red-headed bookworm
02/04/09

@activearchivist: Possibly. I'm sure it's hard for any relationship to exist in the public eye.
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