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    Martin Amis: My Book On Victims Of The Sexual Revolution Is Totally Feminist

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    Image of Pizza!Pizza!Pizza! Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
    11/20/09

    In reply to Martin Amis: My Book On Victims Of The Sexual Revolution Is Totally Feminist
    I assume she was a promiscuous lesbian.
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    Image of bluebears bluebears
    11/20/09

    In reply to Martin Amis: My Book On Victims Of The Sexual Revolution Is Totally Feminist
    Also his hair could not look more ridiculous. What is he going for with that mess?
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    Image of Diziet_Sma Diziet_Sma
    11/20/09

    In reply to Martin Amis: My Book On Victims Of The Sexual Revolution Is Totally Feminist
    How can someone so intelligent be so dumb?
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    11/20/09

    In reply to Martin Amis: My Book On Victims Of The Sexual Revolution Is Totally Feminist
    I hate the concept of the sexual revolution. Media myth.
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    11/20/09

    @bluebears: I prefer the idea of a sexual convolution. Or convulsion. Whichevs.
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    11/20/09

    @andBegorrah: oh I LOVE sexual convulsions. Is Showgirls your favorite movie too?
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    11/20/09

    In reply to Martin Amis: My Book On Victims Of The Sexual Revolution Is Totally Feminist
    "You, alright?! I learned it by watching you!"

    Parents who use contrarian sexist banalities have children who use contrarian sexist banalities.
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    Image of curiousgeorgiana curiousgeorgiana
    11/20/09

    In reply to Martin Amis: My Book On Victims Of The Sexual Revolution Is Totally Feminist
    I think what she was doing was seeking protection from men, but it went the other way, she was often beaten up, abused and she simply used herself up,"

    Yeah, the men had nothing to do with that. Damn sexual freedom for making my sister beat herself up.
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    Image of LutherNipperkin LutherNipperkin
    11/20/09

    @curiousgeorgiana: He ran into my knife. He ran into my knife five times.
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    Image of J.D.Regent J.D.Regent
    11/20/09

    In reply to Martin Amis: My Book On Victims Of The Sexual Revolution Is Totally Feminist
    Right. Because pressure on women to have sex is totally feminist.
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    Image of HarpMadness HarpMadness
    11/20/09

    @J.D.Regent: On the one hand, we're uptight boner-killers who need to be more "sex positive", on the other, we're forcing women to have so much sex we end up all messed up.

    One personality disorder ... er "trait" that many ultra-conservatives have is that they tend to be able to hold two opposing and contradictory thoughts in their head at the same time without cognitive dissidence. Go figure.
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    11/20/09

    @J.D.Regent: It's all there in the seminal treatise Drop Them Panties: Give Up That Ass Ladies, by Gloria Steinem.
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    Image of pesematology pesematology
    11/20/09

    In reply to Martin Amis: My Book On Victims Of The Sexual Revolution Is Totally Feminist
    Is she alive? If so, what does she think of this?
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    Image of shevralay shevralay
    11/20/09

    @pesematology: She died in the 2000s, apparently.
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    11/20/09

    @shevralay: I guess it's good for her sake, then, that he waited until after her death to be so offensively dismissive of both her personal experiences and those of women in general
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    Image of shevralay shevralay
    11/20/09

    @pesematology: Yeah, it's rather obscenely cowardly to publish something like that after she's no longer able to respond to it.
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    Image of Dodgergirl Dodgergirl
    11/20/09

    In reply to Martin Amis: My Book On Victims Of The Sexual Revolution Is Totally Feminist
    I.... what?
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    Image of whats_in_a_name whats_in_a_name
    11/20/09

    In reply to Martin Amis: My Book On Victims Of The Sexual Revolution Is Totally Feminist
    "It would've needed the Taliban to protect her"

    Am I just misunderstanding that sentence, or did he just refer to his sister as "It"?
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    Image of Pizza!Pizza!Pizza! Pizza!Pizza!Pizza!
    11/20/09

    @whats_in_a_name: Her vagina, maybe? They could have sewed it up!
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    Image of CrapCommentFromADude CrapCommentFromADude
    11/20/09

    @whats_in_a_name: In context, this can pretty clearly be read as "It would've taken the Taliban to protect her." Which is one of the most common wordings around.

    I agree that there's a definite possibility the end result might be problematic, but I wouldn't be able to tell it from this article. It's just a snip job that doesn't really say anything conclusive about the book.

    Hell, the quote you're taking so uncharitably is trying to make precisely the point that it wasn't the 'fault' of the sexual revolution or the feminists that she ended up as she did, and that a simple 'return' to some unrealistic-yet-imagined "earlier, better time" wouldn't have saved her.

    To the extent that we know anything from this article, it sounds pretty clear that he's making a book about how people fared in the sexual revolution, for good and for ill, *without* blaming the sexual revolution itself or claiming that society should have collectively 'done something else'.

    What, exactly, is novel or controversial about the idea that with more freedom often comes new and different pressures, for better or for worse? Isn't this the basic idea behind schools that institute school uniforms?

    I think a lot hinges on the book's portrayal of men -- whether or not their bad behavior is put under the microscope, subjected to real analysis.

    If anyone deserves not to have pointlessly snarky conclusions jumped to, it's Martin Amis.
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    Image of winner winner
    11/21/09

    @CrapCommentFromADude: I always enjoy reading your point of view.

    I'm an Amis fan. I put off reading the Guardian article until just now - mostly because I had little faith in the Guardian's ability to deal with Amis objectively given their general distaste for him but also because I didn't want to have to defend Amis for another poorly thought-out declaration. I was pleasantly surprised on both counts. For the most part.

    I've read most of his stuff and I'd be quite surprised if he didn't put his men under the microscope. I don't think he protects any of his characters and certainly not his male characters - they are unreliable, violent and desperate in London Fields ; unreliable, violent and untrustworthy in Other People; inhumane, violent and delusional in Time's Arrow. He is just in the treatment of his characters and I look forward to his commentary on the sexual revolution. Though, really, he's commented on it all along and what I really look forward to is a synthesis of this commentary.

    And anyway, this isn't the first time he's written about his sister. There's a little Sally Amis in all of his female characters.

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    Image of tiredfairy tiredfairy
    11/19/09

    In reply to Literary Ambitions
    Only if you think P&P is only about the romance. Which is great and well crafted. But it's also scathing social, class, and gender role critique.

    I love a good sex scene, but P&P doesn't need one.
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    Image of la.donna.pietra la.donna.pietra
    11/19/09

    @tiredfairy: Also, socioeconomic analysis. Which *definitely* doesn't need a sex scene.
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    11/19/09

    @la.donna.pietra: Exactly. P&P isn't "just" a romance. It always disappoints me when people don't see that.
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    Image of scullymurphy scullymurphy
    11/19/09

    In reply to Literary Ambitions
    I'm sure that Jane, were she alive, would have some choice things to say about Amis' work as well.
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    Image of Diziet_Sma Diziet_Sma
    11/19/09

    In reply to Literary Ambitions
    I've read loads of Martin Amis and no Jane Austen. Am I alone in this?
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    Image of superbonbon superbonbon
    11/19/09

    @Diziet_Sma: yes
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    Image of Diziet_Sma Diziet_Sma
    11/19/09

    @superbonbon: Guess so!
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    Image of JessaFields JessaFields
    11/19/09

    @Diziet_Sma: No! I love The Rachel Papers and Yellow Dog.
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    11/19/09

    @JessaFields: Cool! Success, Money, London Fields and Experience are my favorites.
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    Image of thesciencegirl thesciencegirl
    11/19/09

    In reply to Literary Ambitions
    Having read some of those P&P steamy novel spin-offs, I disagree. I read one last year that was plenty sexy, but it involved Lizzy and Darcy having premarital sex, and it just didn't fit the time or their characters. I ended up just being annoyed by it.
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    11/19/09

    @thesciencegirl: I won't read those books. Way to just steal someone else's characters and run!
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    Image of TheFormerJuneBronson TheFormerJuneBronson
    11/19/09

    @thesciencegirl: The only one I read that was at all steamy was Mr. Darcy Takes a Wife, and I just found it embarrassing. I'm no prude; I prefer my contemporary romances with explicit sex. But I like Lizzie and Darcy just the way they are.
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    Image of curiousgeorgiana curiousgeorgiana
    11/19/09

    @TheFormerJuneBronson: I'm so glad I'm not the only one. I love erotica, but I could barely finish this book. The whole "pillow" thing int the first few chapters gave me the icks.
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    11/19/09

    @TheFormerJuneBronson: That book was so bad it made me cry a little. "Betwixt" is not a unilateral substitution for "between," FFS. It's like a fifteen year old's idea of what period literature is.
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    Image of TheFormerJuneBronson TheFormerJuneBronson
    11/19/09

    @stonebiscuit rolled a 1 on initiative: Agreed. Though I did think her notion of Wickham's fate--if I'm remembering the right one--was about right.

    #tips
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    11/20/09

    @curiousgeorgiana: I picked it up in B&N, got to the pillow part and put it right down. Sheesh! JA must be spinning in her grave.
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    Image of gherkinfiend gherkinfiend
    11/19/09

    In reply to Literary Ambitions
    For me the only thing that could improve any work by Jane Austen, but especially Pride and Prejudice is throwing said books in the bin...
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    Image of A Small Turnip A Small Turnip
    11/19/09

    @gherkinfiend: You and me. We are DONE. You'll be gunning for Edith Wharton next, won't you?

    You CAD.
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    11/19/09

    @gherkinfiend: Aw! But it's such a great social/class/gender critique.
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    11/20/09

    @A Small Turnip: Don't worry m'dear. I love Edith Wharton with all my cold heart. Now that's social commentary Jane Austen wishes she could have written!

    Although I admit my Austen bias has a lot to do with being forced to read Mansfield Park repeatedly. Even Austen lovers don't get so swoony over that one, do they?



    #tips
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    Image of A Small Turnip A Small Turnip
    11/20/09

    @gherkinfiend: Fanny Price is a tit. Fact. What a colossal, snivelling little used kleenex of a character. I loathe her as viscerally as it its possible to loathe someone who doesn't actually exist. Mansfield Park sucks; everyone knows that.

    Just don't go talkin' shit about badass Elinor Dashwood, and it's all good, mate. We's cool.
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