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sportz.star
11/10/09

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YAWN.

I took: Disneyland and American Culture and the Sociology of Pop Culture (wherein I studied Trekkers and wrote a paper on Titanic (the movie) that involved video clips).

I skipped the Sociology of Porn (or some such) though I hear it was fascinating.

Princeton really need to step up on its "classes with names that are likely to subject it to public ridicule". #modelbehaviors
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coffee milk
11/10/09

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When you open Naomi Campbell's book, a mobile phone flies out. Sure it hurts when it hits you, but, hey, free cell phone! #modelbehaviors
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LaComtesse
11/10/09

@coffee milk: Brava. #modelbehaviors
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Zombie Ms. Skittles
11/10/09

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I'm waiting for the day someone wises up and finally bases a class around my memoir of being a blog commenter and on again/off again bloggist. #modelbehaviors
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WaltzingMatilda
11/10/09

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"discussions of contemporary television programs"

ANTM time!

(but seriously, I did a final class paper on P Funk, so you shall hear no complaints from me) #modelbehaviors
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the glamwich
11/10/09

@WaltzingMatilda: i wrote an entire critical essay on inverting sexuality and gender roles in "When Doves Cry". i made an A.

it was the best class i took in college. #modelbehaviors
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WaltzingMatilda
11/10/09

@the glamwich: Awesome! That sounds just plain awesome.

Full-disclosure: I also have to admit, in my pop culture class, I wrote my final paper on Animal House and its influence on modern fratnernity life.

(I took two on pop music - separated into pre-ragtime and post-ragtime, both were awesome, and one on pop culture. Yeah, I'm that kid) #modelbehaviors
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the glamwich
11/10/09

@WaltzingMatilda: oh honey, i know how you feel. i essentially created my own minor which i have called "sexuality and gender roles in pop culture". and some day (a long time from now) i will go to grad school and write a dissertation on Intersectionality in Mass Media.

i took a history of pop music class (starting pre-ragtime) and hated it, it was was too base and didn't delve into anything. [i'm THAT kid in the music class, which is probably why i'm a music supervisor now]. #modelbehaviors
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WaltzingMatilda
11/10/09

@the glamwich: Oh my god. Hearted so very hard.

Pop Music 2 was my favorite, favorite class - for multiple reasons. First, tracing rock's origins and development from African drum beats to Chuck Berry to Elvis to the Beatles to Bob Dylan, etc. - LOVED the history of rock. Second, much better classmates. Tons of kids failed Pop 1 because they thought it would be easy, so Pop 2 was all kinds of music majors and enthusiasts. My small section was SO much fun. #modelbehaviors
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Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
11/10/09

@WaltzingMatilda: I've written two A essays on Christian Indie and its secular consumers, and the cultural significance of the globalisation of hip-hop, and its impact on Black youth culture.
Popular music studies mark, yo- easiest, most fun paper ever! #modelbehaviors
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andromache
11/10/09

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I'd be interested in seeing the syllabus for this course. While I'm skeptical, I do agree that sometimes the "fluff" course turn out to be much more difficult than expected. I took a course on popular music, and it was actually much tougher than any other course I took for my music minor (it was more challenging than the history of the symphony even). I think it depends on the instructor and what kind of standards will be upheld. #modelbehaviors
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hello.kitty
11/10/09

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Is AFTER THE RAIN by Princeton alum Brooke Shields additional reading? Anybody remember the name of her first book, the one she wrote while still a student? #modelbehaviors
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hollygirl
11/10/09

@hello.kitty: It was carried in my college bookstore- all I remember is the chapter headed, " what my Virginity Means to me", which my mean friends and I would giggle at. #modelbehaviors
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JessicaLovejoy: Laughing, riding, cornholing!
11/10/09

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Get with the program, Prof. No Lifeguard on Duty or GTFO!
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Triana Orpheus
11/10/09

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I understand that knowledge of pop culture is important, but classes like this is why America is slowing down on innovation and intelligence. #modelbehaviors
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Master.And.Everyone
11/10/09

@Triana Orpheus: Thank you. While I don't necessarily believe that we should all flock to engineering schools, this is sorely evident in the decline of college level writing/analysis, reading comprehension, and basic information retention skills. (Can you tell I work at a writing center/book store?) #modelbehaviors
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msAnthrope
11/10/09

@Triana Orpheus: right? we sound like the sourpusses here, but it seems to me that pop culture is about the only thing in which the majority of americans is well-versed.

that said, i do keep hoping that reincarnation is true because do i ever want to come back in just one lifetime as a leggy, wealthy supermodel. what could suck about being giselle bundchen? even for just a year.
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Kivrin
11/10/09

@Triana Orpheus: Edited--I was gonna be bitchy about classes like this, but then I decided not to.
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egg cream
11/10/09

@Triana Orpheus: I disagree. I think it's just as important to be able to think critically about pop culture as it is to be able to think critically about Woolf or Tolstoy, and it's just important to be able to understand how and why we are producing these books/magazines/movies/television shows (and what effect they have on us as a society) as it is to understand how and why we have favelas in Brazil and brutal rape in Congo, or how we are still feeling the effects of World War II and Vietnam in global politics. All culture was pop culture once -- even the books student read as classics now. Why is it any less valuable to understand that books and essays and other media are a product of their time and place while you're in that time and place, instead of hundreds of years or thousands of miles removed? #modelbehaviors
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Triana Orpheus
11/10/09

@egg cream: It isn't of less value when the people who participate in the study and dissection of pop culture are intelligent and thoughtful enough to make it user to society as a whole. If sociology is what you are great at, by all means, go forth and prosper. But you explain to me how a class on supermodel memoirs is going to keep us competive with Japan, China and India.
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DexterHaven
11/10/09

@Triana Orpheus: Well, by that logic the study of literature as a whole is an economic fail.
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Triana Orpheus
11/10/09

@DexterHaven: I say this as a former English major, yes it is. There is a reason why the creative majors are so underpaid. That does not mean they don't add value to our lives, they add immense value. If I didn't have music, I'd go crazy. But the creative arts are subjective and will not affect everyone in the same way. Some piece will be of more value to someone else (which explains the reason why I've never read a single memoir by a celebrity but other people love them). But the scientific and technological advancements that are made can be of use to every single person across the globe and I feel like we're moving away from that and moving more towards classes like this because they're easier. #modelbehaviors
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whynotshesaid
11/10/09

@Triana Orpheus: I doubt the people who are taking this class would have been studying engineering had it not been offered.

I prefer to blame business schools and MBA programs for the downfall of higher education, but that's just me. #modelbehaviors
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aimeeg
09/18/09

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I really hate to be critical, but stories like this only seem to reinforce for me the idea that a woman's most important feature is what she looks like... I dunno, it seems as though this is kind of a case of "hooray, larger women can be objectified too"... I mean why does it always have to be about what a woman looks like? All women are 'real' women, and all women are completely different, and what all those women look like is not the most important thing about them.
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bess marvin, girl detective
09/17/09

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is that cover photoshopped?
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Jezebabe
09/18/09

@bess marvin, girl detective: of course it is.
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bess marvin, girl detective
09/18/09

@Jezebabe: ah the irony, it'll spin your right round.
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miss_msry
09/17/09

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Shit, I'm a hetero female and I thinks she's hot. Fat? On whose planet?

It's all about matching the model to the outfit.
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Ananelle
09/17/09

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After reading comments here and there, can we all just please agree that we have different healthy weights? Some are exceedingly healthy at a size 0 and some are exceedingly health at a size 14... I understand that "bigger" girls get shit for being big, and "smaller" girls get shit for being small, but really, can we all just settle on "this is my comfortable weight for my bone structure and background?"

... Please?
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voteforme
09/18/09

@Ananelle: Demanding that we believe everyone who claims to be healthy is just as disingenuous as claiming that every subjectively unattractive person is a mutant who subsists on cheesecake. Both sides are full of shit.
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flufffox
09/17/09

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I love this piece. I really like how casual the tone in the conversation is and yet there are so many disturbing stories being brought up. And the end strangely made me tear up! In short, I need this book in my life.
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Flackette Goes Retro
09/17/09

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I read an interview wherein she said Nigella Lawson inspired her to understand a woman can like food, be curvy and still be hella sexy. I have a similar admiration for Ms. Lawson, so it made me love her even more.
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JLady
09/18/09

@Flackette Goes Retro: It's funny that you say that, because the cover of the book reminds me of Nigella for some reason. It might be the hair, or the sexiness, I'm not sure, but they are both lovely ladies.
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hej hej
09/17/09

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I just realized Crystal's book is co-authored by ex-Sassy magazine writer Margie Ingall!
If I had any doubts about how good this book would be before, they're gone now. Anything written by someone from Sassy is automatically amazing.
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