@funnyface: Seconded. Backpacking? For real? Honeymoon hostel stays? That's a dealbreaker, ladies. Because of the sexing. It's just weird! #marieclarie
Whats wrong with kidults? I'd definitely classify my boyfriend as a kidult simply because he doesn't have a job and adores his xbox, but its awesome because while I make the money, he cooks, cleans, and pretty much takes care of the apartment. With two working "serious" adults, I wouldn't come home to steak dinners, Call of Duty, and clean laundry . Besides, who really wants to be a serious "grown up" anyways? pfft.
I'm certainly not having children, nor do I intend to own a house....so....for me to date a 'tradtional' man who earns the money and wants the family, would be settling for something I don't want. #marieclarie
Please, God, don't let "kidults" happen. They may be obnoxious and oblivious to their privlege, but for God's sake, let them hike around South America and bum around Paris and avoid all grownass responsibility, if they can get away with it!
Do you know what happened to immature/unstable (usually white, usually American) men in previous generations? They were forced by society/their parents to marry and have kids, and then they didn't work to support these people, and everyone was sick and cold and miserable. And the women who were in these families were societally blocked from careers, education, and all things that could improve life.
I don't know why I'm drawing examples from literature, but I'm thinking of Francie in "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn." Also, I'm thinking of Frank McCourt's "Angela's Ashes." People who are not ready for serious relationships and children should not be forced into them by Marie Claire readers because YOU CANNOT "FIX" KIDULTS. #marieclarie
Well ya know, if I waited around for a guy who had a job and actually felt like settling down I would never have gotten married--not a bad thing in and of itself but I happened to like this guy.
Employed people are not attracted to me. #marieclarie
@redqueenmeg: I feel like this sums up so many Jez readers' responses...it accidentally says what is the saddest part of this article-- that getting married to someone is a priority above being in a functional, mutual, equal relationship between two people who have accepted the basic operations of our world (job=money=something to eat/somewhere to live). How can we defend men/our partners for 'choosing' to not have a job and play x-box?? As if that is acceptable for either sex. Shouldn't we all be encouraging people we love to be contributors to society and not excusing them for their "kidult" choices??? Whether or not it means we end up without these people are partners, why are women willing to settle for men who behave like they are still nursing off their mother's breastmilk, in exchange for being 'loved'-- by toddlers?? This is why men continue to underachieve in modern culture-- because women excuse them, in exchange for the feeling of being part of a companionship which is little more than parenting with the benefit of having sex with your 'kidult'.
@LaurelMagumbalee: Well, I feel particularly insulted by *your* response.
The guy in question was 19 and a college freshman, full-time, and so no, I didn't necessarily expect him to be a freaking breadwinner yet. I saw his potential and I knew my own.
I haven't excused a damn thing, TYVM. All I've faced is prejudice (only from women I might add) about dating someone younger than me, dating someone who didn't have a job, dating someone who "couldn't provide for me".
Getting married was NOT a priority but thanks for sticking that in there. It just happened. And he asked, because I got pregnant. I told him we didn't have to.
Shouldn't we all be encouraging people to see each other's potential and help each other to be the best we can rather than snarking about guys who can't necessarily support families in their late teens/early twenties?
Oh freaking well. I guess I should just claim solidarity and never have dated anyone at all since people with jobs don't ask me out. Whatever. I choose to decide whether I'm going to date someone based on the whole package, not their wallet. #marieclarie
Isn't it travel manifesto that you absolutely despise the person you backpack abroad with by the end of the experience? You go with your best friend, then after three months you want to KILL them, then you come home, don't talk for a month, then you're best friends again. Why would anybody want that in a marriage?
Besides, you don't want to sleep in hostels on your honeymoon, you want to sleep somewhere where you can have lots of sex. #marieclarie
@Snowbunny: When my best friend and I got back from our study-abroad trip, we both quietly admitted we had prettymuch wanted to kill each other at one point or another. Still best friends now! #marieclarie
Went on a backpacking/overnight type deal once with the xhub; was cold, rainy, and he didn't listen to the group directions, didn't bring food, forgot his sleeping mat.
When we were RUNNING down the 5 mile trail so we could buy our dinner at WALMART in 33 degree weather and sleet, I seriously thought about shoving his dumb ass of the mountain. #marieclarie
What I found more annoying was the article from the woman who dated the "fat/funny" guys because of her own insecurities. It sounded to me like any woman who isn't with a traditionally attractive man is doing so only to make herself feel better and so any of us who are doing should dump him and shack up with the next Adonis to rid ourselves of our poor self esteem. Now I have body issues like the next girl but I am not willing to give up the love of my life who is 6'4 285 because him "making me feel petite" is ruining my self image. #marieclarie
@sleepeatread: I've dated some horrible playboys that used their fat funniness to endear themselves to women as "harmless." So I don't think dating fat funny guys is automatically a panacea against insecurities because some of them are NOT awesome. #marieclarie
@sleepeatread: I dated a fat funny guy, but then he went on Weight Watchers and lost 95 pounds so now I'm dating a skinny funny guy. I think that, according to Marie Claire, I should feel bad about myself now, but really, I just feel good for him. #marieclarie
"who keep secret bachelor pads and refuse to marry, have kids, and become normal adults. "
Since when is getting married and having kids the sign of being an adult? Wouldn't a better example being owning up to your behavior and also having a decent to successful job?
"She looks to her honeymoon for answers, avoiding exposure to her husband for extended periods of time."
There's a marriage doomed to failure. I speak from experience. Her honeymoon was the first few years of my marriage where my ex thought that hiking steep mountains = total fun for all. If I didn't go, I got guilt for not paying enough attention to him. Because climbing rocks is totally a form of affection.
Being single is much improved to being married. #marieclarie
I always buy my gifts based on silly stereotypes. They're usually the wrong stereotypes, though, which is why everyone was so confused that year I bought my grandma a novelty sombrero, some top shelf tequila, and a sarape and my grandpa a collection of multicolored body glitters, a CD containing dance remixes of Cher's greatest hits, and a subscription to Honcho.#marieclarie
@morninggloria: But I bet grandma and grandpa had fun with that body glitter after they shot some tequila and put Cher on the CD player in the bedroom... #marieclarie
You know, once upon a time I liked Marie Claire. I even subscribed, because they had a few interesting articles about women's issues internationally, some fun fashion bits, a little celeb gossip--overall, a decent read at the nail or hair salon. Now? Boringboringboringboring. I should donate the remainder of my subscription to a doctor's office, because every new issue that arrives goes unread for at least a week. #marieclarie
This article seems to miss all of the advantages of a woman dating a 'kidult'. Probably the biggest advantage is that you get to 'win' any argument by simply stating 'Because I said so.'. #marieclarie
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That said, the only thing I wanted on my honeymoon was someplace pretty, not too scheduled, and lots of sexin'. #marieclarie
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I'm certainly not having children, nor do I intend to own a house....so....for me to date a 'tradtional' man who earns the money and wants the family, would be settling for something I don't want. #marieclarie
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Do you know what happened to immature/unstable (usually white, usually American) men in previous generations? They were forced by society/their parents to marry and have kids, and then they didn't work to support these people, and everyone was sick and cold and miserable. And the women who were in these families were societally blocked from careers, education, and all things that could improve life.
I don't know why I'm drawing examples from literature, but I'm thinking of Francie in "A Tree Grows in Brooklyn." Also, I'm thinking of Frank McCourt's "Angela's Ashes." People who are not ready for serious relationships and children should not be forced into them by Marie Claire readers because YOU CANNOT "FIX" KIDULTS. #marieclarie
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The guy in question was 19 and a college freshman, full-time, and so no, I didn't necessarily expect him to be a freaking breadwinner yet. I saw his potential and I knew my own.
I haven't excused a damn thing, TYVM. All I've faced is prejudice (only from women I might add) about dating someone younger than me, dating someone who didn't have a job, dating someone who "couldn't provide for me".
Getting married was NOT a priority but thanks for sticking that in there. It just happened. And he asked, because I got pregnant. I told him we didn't have to.
Shouldn't we all be encouraging people to see each other's potential and help each other to be the best we can rather than snarking about guys who can't necessarily support families in their late teens/early twenties?
Oh freaking well. I guess I should just claim solidarity and never have dated anyone at all since people with jobs don't ask me out. Whatever. I choose to decide whether I'm going to date someone based on the whole package, not their wallet. #marieclarie
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Besides, you don't want to sleep in hostels on your honeymoon, you want to sleep somewhere where you can have lots of sex. #marieclarie
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Went on a backpacking/overnight type deal once with the xhub; was cold, rainy, and he didn't listen to the group directions, didn't bring food, forgot his sleeping mat.
When we were RUNNING down the 5 mile trail so we could buy our dinner at WALMART in 33 degree weather and sleet, I seriously thought about shoving his dumb ass of the mountain. #marieclarie
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Since when is getting married and having kids the sign of being an adult? Wouldn't a better example being owning up to your behavior and also having a decent to successful job?
"She looks to her honeymoon for answers, avoiding exposure to her husband for extended periods of time."
There's a marriage doomed to failure. I speak from experience. Her honeymoon was the first few years of my marriage where my ex thought that hiking steep mountains = total fun for all. If I didn't go, I got guilt for not paying enough attention to him. Because climbing rocks is totally a form of affection.
Being single is much improved to being married. #marieclarie
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