I think I saw this phenomenon before - it's pretty common in the J-Horror genre, like the original versions of "The Ring" and "The Grudge"
On a personal note, I thought the Ring was the scariest movie EVAR and I cried like a little girl through most of the Grudge, so maybe I am too wimpy to be talking about horror movies
The new Manic Pixies? I doubt it. Maybe I'm crabby b/c my electronic hookups haven't decided whether they're all going to malfunction at once and leave me out of touch, but to me it just sounds like SS, DD.
Speaking of "Strange Girls", has anyone else read or heard of "Wait 'Til Helen Comes" or "The Girl with the Silver Eyes"...those girls were my first introduction into the creepy girl genre.
I think the difference is agency, and this will vary from story to story. MPG's generally have no agency or function unto themselves. They simply offer non-reciprocated emotional support to the Emotionally Stunted Man Child, and have "quriks" that substitute for actual personalities and layering. I haven't yet seen a movie that was actually about the MPG, mostly because she's a male fantasy and generally only functions to "teach him an important lesson about love and life"...not be a whole person unto themselves.
Although it depends, I'd say the "strange girls" almost always have an actual personality, a past or history to overcome, and are usually given agency through the narrative when they're the main, arguably heroic character. When they're an ancillary character, or the "enemy" they usually have way less in terms of agency or characterization, and are either victims seeking revenge and hence bad (The Ring) or just victims.
Carrie is an interesting example because she can be read very differently, depending on the film or book version...and even the film has some ambiguity. In the book Carrie is a strange and conflicting mix of sympathetic and irritating. She's victimized in a way that suggests the "hive mind" of mobs...find the weakest and attack. Only she ends up finding some agency, but takes her revenge too far, so she's punished with her eventual death.
To me, the problem is less the archetype and more the lack of exploration of the archetype. Same with stereotypes. You can effectively use any stereotype if you're willing to explore it and use it as a base to be built on. The problem is when the character is only the archetype or stereotype, with no fleshing out.
@tiredfairy: TiredFairy, I really love how you delved into this. My personal issue with "Carrie" (and developing this idea out further) is that I think Steven King's work is ex-treme-ly mysogynistic, to the point where I will argue this at length!
It also seems to fit well with the, shoot what's the archetype for the literary female character that is "perfect?" Similar to Bella's character in Twilight there is no rationale for their uniqueness or perfection, it's just defined as being.
Here, the strange girls are somehow presented as powerful through their secrecy and preternatural understanding of the supernatural. Thus, they arise above the "medicority" and "normalcy" most teenage girls (and hell, some adult) fear.
@Miss Smith Drank Your Vodka: On another note, I so wanted to be the girl that walked down the street and someone starts pointing at me, gasping, telling me of what great power I hold or will come to possess.
Happened to me finally, two years ago in Downtown LA. Sadly, it was not at all what I dreamed. Mainly, because the bearer of such word was clearly schizophrenic.
I watched "Jules et Jim" last night, and I was totally thinking that Catherine is not quite an MPDG, but by no means a typical female character, either. I think she fits into this category perfectly - constantly fighting some unseen force thought to be threatening her (generally her belief she is constantly being wronged, and thus needs to "even the score," so to speak), and the eroticism surrounding her. Anybody who's seen this movie know what I mean?
I'm too much of a wuss for horror movies, but I could never see this because that one actress, Arielle Kebbel, was totally Dean's wife, Lindsey, on "Gilmore Girls" and I have a hard time separating actors from the characters they play. I'd be all "Lindsey, what are you doing there?! Just call Dean, he'll save you!"
@Jessi Ramsey: I can't do horror movies either. I legit screamed and jumped last week while LOST. The 2 guys I was watching it with I had only watched football with before and they just both looked at me like "umm...is she serious?" I was slightly embarrassed....
@Residentdrunkgirl: The only horror I can really deal with is the overtly, outrageously supernatural type--y'know, vampires and werewolves and witches and shit.
The real-life stuff about killer diseases that destroy the planet, or evil serial killers, etc is just too unsettling for me, because I keep thinking about ways it could actually happen to me and then I NEVER sleep again.
This reminds me of last night's Simpsons episode that was a take on Heavenly Creatures, an awesome movie about strange girls and their imaginations. That was based on a true story, right?
I blogged EXACTLY about this last fall. Except I called the trope "girl-in-exile."
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"Male protagonists, whether alienated or alienating, are righteous ... pure, and noble, and the company they keep is unworthy of them. Flight is their only hope and salvation. Like Stephen Daedalus, they must loose the binds that tie them to others—and to human society—in order to gain this measure of salvation, truth, justice, call it what you will.
Carrie is malevolent. In fact, and this is sort of the point, the takeaway seems to be that when society brands a girl unwholesome, society is always right."
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On a personal note, I thought the Ring was the scariest movie EVAR and I cried like a little girl through most of the Grudge, so maybe I am too wimpy to be talking about horror movies
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Although it depends, I'd say the "strange girls" almost always have an actual personality, a past or history to overcome, and are usually given agency through the narrative when they're the main, arguably heroic character. When they're an ancillary character, or the "enemy" they usually have way less in terms of agency or characterization, and are either victims seeking revenge and hence bad (The Ring) or just victims.
Carrie is an interesting example because she can be read very differently, depending on the film or book version...and even the film has some ambiguity. In the book Carrie is a strange and conflicting mix of sympathetic and irritating. She's victimized in a way that suggests the "hive mind" of mobs...find the weakest and attack. Only she ends up finding some agency, but takes her revenge too far, so she's punished with her eventual death.
To me, the problem is less the archetype and more the lack of exploration of the archetype. Same with stereotypes. You can effectively use any stereotype if you're willing to explore it and use it as a base to be built on. The problem is when the character is only the archetype or stereotype, with no fleshing out.
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Here, the strange girls are somehow presented as powerful through their secrecy and preternatural understanding of the supernatural. Thus, they arise above the "medicority" and "normalcy" most teenage girls (and hell, some adult) fear.
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Happened to me finally, two years ago in Downtown LA. Sadly, it was not at all what I dreamed. Mainly, because the bearer of such word was clearly schizophrenic.
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What do I gotta to do be "strange", damnit? Conduct photosynthesis?!
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The real-life stuff about killer diseases that destroy the planet, or evil serial killers, etc is just too unsettling for me, because I keep thinking about ways it could actually happen to me and then I NEVER sleep again.
Also I don't like zombies. Sorry, zombies.
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I concluded that:
"Male protagonists, whether alienated or alienating, are righteous ... pure, and noble, and the company they keep is unworthy of them. Flight is their only hope and salvation. Like Stephen Daedalus, they must loose the binds that tie them to others—and to human society—in order to gain this measure of salvation, truth, justice, call it what you will.
Carrie is malevolent. In fact, and this is sort of the point, the takeaway seems to be that when society brands a girl unwholesome, society is always right."
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Interesting. Was this only about horror movies, or films in general?