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    What, Only Occasionally?

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    Image of secretlycontroversial secretlycontroversial
    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    I don't think that he meant it in this context. He is far too smart a political figure to openly say that sexism is hilarious. I interpreted his statement as: The acts of racism and sexism on the show are appalling. I don't find it funny. But there are times when certain things are said or done to a woman on the show that are so shocking that it incites a sort of uncomfortable, "Holy shit, I can't believe that just happened" kind of laughter. #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    @secretlycontroversial: I agree. I think it all is part of the theory that comedy is funny if it's not happening to you. Take any random "hilarious" occurrence from a sitcom and pretend it really happened to you. Usually not nearly so funny! #billclinton
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    Image of tankearae tankearae
    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    I love you Bill but:

    I read the Jones v. Clinton case in full (they made us when we took torts). Just because you're smarter at how you take advantage of your position*, doesn't mean your personal treatment of some women wasn't pretty skeezy. It just means we were aware of it.

    *If you've never read it, he pulled it out while in a room with her and suggested she kiss it." When she turned him down he assured her he didn't want her to do anything she wasn't comfortable with. (Before telling her he'd help her out of she got trouble for not being at work and more or less told her to keep her mouth shut.)

    On one hand, the way he phrased it was so ridiculous is comical. On another hand, its a horrible thing to do to someone. And with a history like that, its kind of hard to take his statements seriously.

    (Oh and if you're curious? The complaint in Jones v. Clinton is here - [www.scottpcook.com]

    The facts were reaffirmed in the district court case I read in full.)
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    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    Shorter Bill: "Racism is horrible, but sexism is hilarious." #billclinton
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    Image of smizmar smizmar
    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    "The way women were treated is appalling..."???

    Well, isn't that one for the Selective Memory World Record book? #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    Me thinks Pres is a member of Team Joan. #billclinton
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    Image of Lymed Lymed
    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    If you consider Lois continuing to be employed as a way they are treating a woman, then yes, I find it occasionally funny how women are treated on the show. #billclinton
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    Image of curiousgeorgiana curiousgeorgiana
    11/12/09

    @Lymed: Valid point.

    Hey, in the 60s, a woman could be pinned down on the office floor by a coworker who wanted to see what color underwear she had on. But on the plus side, you could run over an executive's foot with a John Deere and still come into work the next day. Always a silver lining. #billclinton
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    Image of rodmanstreet rodmanstreet
    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    But he probably thought The West Wing was a stitch! #billclinton
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    Image of CurtCole CurtCole
    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?

    ....occasionally. #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    @CurtCole: I love that picture so much, I want to steal its identity after it dies in battle and then move to New York to live under its name and become a fancy ad man and marry a trophy wife who I constantly cheat on. But then, I express my love differently than a lot of people. #billclinton
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    11/12/09


    @CurtCole: "Now THAT is one fine blue dress..." #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    @Schrodinger's Cat: Nicely done! #billclinton
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    Image of ihateyourescalade ihateyourescalade
    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    So I'm not the only one who doesn't like Mad Men for these exact reasons. Bill Clinton and I stand together. Awesome. #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    Let's remember gang: the poor treatment of women and minorities is, on the show, sometimes played for laughs. Mostly in the first season, when the show was a little too into the whole "Look how backwards they were! They didn't know that kids shouldn't wear plastic bags on their heads!" So, I know what he means. #billclinton
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    Image of LaComtesse LaComtesse
    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    "The way women were treated is appalling, and only occasionally funny to me... and when I say that, I mean I feel just that touch of schadenfreude whenever Betty is callously treated. Sure the misogyny isn't great, but Christ I HATE that character and like to see her get her come uppance. Much love, January." -Former President Bill Clinton #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    @LaComtesse: I love seeing characters I dislike get theirs, but I like seeing them get it as a result of their actions, not their identities. #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    @JerseyGrrrl: I know. It was a joke. #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    @LaComtesse: No, no! I didn't think you were saying you agreed with him. I was responding to his comment. I should've made that clear. #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    @JerseyGrrrl: Ha! Okay. I was a little confused-- "Damn, girl! You know me. We're almost ALWAYS on the same page..." #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    @LaComtesse: Aw, I DO know you, and that's why I was so sure you were intending to let Clinton to dig himself a deeper hole. #billclinton
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    Image of funzette funzette
    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    This reminds me of the time Bill came over for a Mad Men party early and kept saying, "Another Old Fashioned!" and giggling, and then he ate all of the hors d'oeuvres before the show started, and in the first commercial break he went to the bathroom and passed out but nobody noticed until 11:15. #billclinton
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    Image of FrabjousDay FrabjousDay
    11/12/09

    @funzette: Of course, Al Gore missed the whole thing because, well, there was iced tea there. #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    @FrabjousDay: Joe Biden was pretty distracting with his never-ending commentary, good-natured groping, and new fedora purchased for the occasion. That guy really fancies himself a world-class anecdotalist.
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    Image of FrabjousDay FrabjousDay
    11/12/09

    @funzette: Sadly, Biden's jovial mood took a turn for the worse when he was informed that the fedora did NOT hide his hair plugs. #billclinton
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    Image of AndPreciousLittleofThat AndPreciousLittleofThat
    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    Hey Bill, why not just shout "I'm a baby-boomer!" #billclinton
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    Image of Forthright Fattie Forthright Fattie
    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    Yes, it's appalling how the men in the show use their position of power for hanky panky with the attractive young women who work in their offices.

    I mean, I think Clinton was a good president and all, and he's not a misogynist like Pete Campbell, but come on now. #billclinton
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    Image of whynotshesaid whynotshesaid
    11/12/09

    @Forthright Fattie: Took the words out of my mouth.

    And I actually like Bill Clinton. #billclinton
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    Image of BeckySharper BeckySharper
    11/12/09

    @Forthright Fattie: Exactly. We all know Bill had no ethical problem whatsoever with sexual harrassment in the workplace (or anywhere else.)

    I like him too, and voted for him. But he's still a sexist pig on that count.#billclinton
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    Image of IndignationCoordinator IndignationCoordinator
    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    From the article:

    You ever watch that TV series "Mad Men?" If I keep watching this program, will I ever find a happy person?

    I don't know, Ken Cosgrove always seems rather chipper to me. But I don't think that will last for long, when he gets back from holiday and all... #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    @IndignationCoordinator: Ken's been on the s**t list since that John Deere incident. #billclinton
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    Image of She-Prime She-Prime
    11/12/09

    @MerlotWinters: Team Pete! #billclinton
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    Image of MissBuckyC MissBuckyC
    11/12/09

    @She-Prime: Is there a Team Kinsey? Let's hear it for pretentious, bearded, pipe-smoking, pseudo-progressive "intellectuals"! #billclinton
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    Image of She-Prime She-Prime
    11/12/09

    @MissBuckyC: If there is a Team Kinsey, I am decidedly on Team Peggy in that rivalry. That's not to say that I don't love that they are rivals! #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    @She-Prime: I like to think that when he saw her empty office and was all "damn!" it wasn't because he was jealous but because he knows she's better than him and therefore this new firm will be better than his so he'll eventually be fired because it will be put out of business by the combined awesome of Don and Betty. So now he doesn't hate her he admires her. #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    @Cimorene: I'm hoping they end up becoming professional rivals in different firms. Kind of like Devon Banks and Jack Donaghy on 30 Rock, complete with ominous music. :)

    OR Duck hires Kinsey. Then the sh*t will go down! #billclinton
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