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    Image of veronykah veronykah
    11/10/09

    In reply to Mad Men: Ain't That A Kick In The Head?
    So I've read the reactions to Betty for awhile now and am questioning some of the things people are saying.
    She keeps being criticized for "having a life raft" Has everyone completely forgotten this was the early 60s and even her own family lawyer told her she'd be fucked with a capital F if she left him?
    Not to mention the only way to divorce was to go to Reno?
    She wants out and she's doing what it takes, perhaps she is just smart enough to see Harry as someone she can USE to get what she wants?
    And the constant hatred for her mothering skills? I also think people are not looking at the show in the context of WHEN it was. Parents probably treated their children vastly differently then than they do now, from the stories my mother tells me [she was born in '59] Betty doesn't seem that far off.
    The whole "self-esteem" movement and children being the center of the universe was still a ways off from when this show was set. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Mad Men: Ain't That A Kick In The Head?
    wait wait wait - when did Betty sleep with someone other than Don??? #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/10/09

    @Crackers In Bed: At the end of season two she picks up Captain Awesome from Chuck and sleeps with him at the bar. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/10/09

    @Gnatalby: @algae: darn i had totally forgotten that! i think there was so much imbibing at the mad men finale party i went to last year that the actual show is kind of a blur :) #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Mad Men: Ain't That A Kick In The Head?
    I personally think the Don/Peggy scene was one of the sexiest the show has had.

    So much tension. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Mad Men: Ain't That A Kick In The Head?
    Did Don say"I will spend the rest of my life trying to hire you" or "I will notspend the rest of my life trying to hire you" to Peggy?

    Because I heard the latter. And it would change my view a bit on why Peggy does follow Don to the new company. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    @lemoner: He said "I WILL spend the rest of my life trying to hire you." #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/10/09

    @LucyRed: I thought that was the sweetest line of the episode. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/10/09

    @Where The Mild Things Are: If he could only say 'I will spend the rest of my life trying to make you happy and love you' to Betty, he might be able to save his marriage. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/10/09

    @kkatt: Ha. Yeah. I think the interactions between Don and Peggy (at least this episode) were just downright romantic - but in a non-sexual/platonic way. Like a mentor-protege love story.
    He just needs to provide Betty the same consideration. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Mad Men: Ain't That A Kick In The Head?
    Every once in a while the TV Gods will bequeath an episode of TV that is simply perfect and last night's finale of Mad Men was one of them. Words cannot describe my exhilaration. I watched the episode twice and I am about to watch it again.

    In one fell swoop beloved characters were at the forefront where they belonged again.

    And how many thought something horrible was going to happen to Don? Well it didn't; he lost his marriage but woke up and discovered his true family at Sterling Cooper Draper Lane.

    I cheered when Joan strutted back into the office! I sighed when Betty took off with Henry Francis because my gut tells me she is making a bad choice.
    I whooped when Roger and Don made up, and I teared up during Don's plea to Peggy.
    Just wonderful. There were many, many amazing moments. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Mad Men: Ain't That A Kick In The Head?
    I find Betty a very complex character. I think she is easy to dislike because of our modern perceptions of her behavior - running to another man, leaving her children behind on christmas. I find a lot of people have been criticizing her for her actions, but we have to remember that Betty grew up with the indoctrination that her only destiny was to be a housewife. Her mother made sure that Betty would be beautiful in order to obtain a husband. In the first season whenever she talks to Don it's like she's reading from a teleprompter, the things that a wife is supposed to say. Later, she seems to have this awakening to finally start pursuing what she wants rather than complying to her husband's wishes. I thought this was very relevant in the scene from an episode or two ago where she is going to the big dinner with Don after she figures out his secrets. Usually she would act so naturally, but in that scene she seemed out of place.

    I actually really like Betty as a character. I don't praise her actions, but I think she does it because she feels trapped. We say she should try to be independent, and this Henry Francis thing is probably going to be a total shitfest, but to Betty this is the only way out. I don't think she's deluded in thinking Henry Francis is her prince charming - did you notice that little look she gave Francis when he said that he would take care of her kids? It didn't seem like she completely believed him. But to her being a single divorcee is social suicide - which is still somewhat prevalent today, with Bush and how he pushed funding for the protection of "traditional families."

    However, I'm hoping for the next season that Betty dumps Francis after being swept off her feet by a resident hippie, burns her bra and takes her kids to Woodstock. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    @charbott: I agree with your assessment of Betty.

    It really irks me when people dismiss Don's behavior (well that's how men were in the 60s) and don't provide the same courtesy to Betty. They are both products of their upbringing and their generation. It doesn't mean we have to enjoy their behavior, but we should at least be sympathetic. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Mad Men: Ain't That A Kick In The Head?
    Scenes that packed a punch:
    Don rouses Bets out of bed, grabs her by the gown, calls her a "whore" & more, was stunning in its power. I felt tremendous sadness for these two characters.

    Don climbing into bed with Sally.

    Don holding Bobby whilst Betty starts crying was also remarkable.

    Don stating "So we are negotiating" was thrilling.

    Joan sweeping in to save the day.

    Stellar episode on all counts. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Mad Men: Ain't That A Kick In The Head?
    Until next season, I will be operating out of the Pierre. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Mad Men: Ain't That A Kick In The Head?
    I like how Pete and Trudy work together, but I cannot see them as a truly romantic relationship. Where is the passion? They are more like brother and sister...or son and mother. The way Trudy said his name from the next room...I half expected him to jump up with a "Coming, Mommy!"
    By the way, all I have to say to Don etc is "don't know what you got, till it's gone..." #madmenseasonfinale
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    meritxell: an erotic life promoted this comment sleepeatread was starred sleepeatread was unstarred
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    11/09/09

    @sleepeatread: Agreed. They do have a sibling-type thing going on. Which is why Pete/Trudy is fun but Pete/Peggy is awesome. PASSION! #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    @meritxell: an erotic life: I don't like the combination of Pete and anyone. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Mad Men: Ain't That A Kick In The Head?
    Anybody else think it’s a bit funny that even though Conrad Hilton pretty much spent the whole season screwing with Don, it ended up being Hilton that gave Don the tip that would ultimately lead Don to build his own new agency?

    Also, isn’t it great that the Sterling in Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce will be Roger, and not his father?

    I think Don will end up happier for everything that has transpired this season. He will have a big exciting challenge in building a new agency where he is back in control; he might meet a woman with strength and tenacity and actually be in a healthy relationship with her instead of just screwing around with her behind Betty’s back. Does he deserve this happiness? Who knows? But one thing is certain in my mind…..things are gonna get real bad for Betty in this Henry Francis mess before they get better.

    Oh and hey hey hey, the Joan Holloway Harris Pen of Power has returned! #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Mad Men: Ain't That A Kick In The Head?
    The only full season of Mad Men I've seen is the first one. I really wish I could I skip over the second season because the third looked amazing. #madmenseasonfinale
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    Image of Where The Mild Things Are Where The Mild Things Are
    11/09/09

    @Remedios Varo can't see no huevos.: No no! The second season ROCKS! And most people think the third has been the weakest (although this finale was freakin' amazing!) #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/10/09

    @Where The Mild Things Are: I don't know. . that part where Don ran off to California and played Surfer Dude was pretty tiresome. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Mad Men: Ain't That A Kick In The Head?
    Now, at the very end of the episode, it seemed like it had a bittersweet ending. Everyone seemed pretty enthusiastic about their new company, though. Do you think this Sterling-Cooper-Draper-Price is going to be successful or fall on its ass? I'm conflicted. While they have all their big accounts, the climate of the 60s was change, and the irony of their enthusiasm in the beginning with their failure later on seems necessary in the show. #madmenseasonfinale
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    Zombie Ms. Skittles promoted this comment RousseMacabre was starred RousseMacabre was unstarred
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    11/09/09

    @RousseMacabre: I think it'll be successful at least for the remainder of the series. These guys have a lot of money to pump into this, their biggest problem is that like, 90% of their company is going to be Lucky Strike and there have been references to Lucky Strike facing lawsuits and financial problems. If something happens to Lucky Strike, they are SOL unless they stay small and build up their client base before hiring new people and moving into a big office like SC was. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: Hmm, maybe that will the be the next big change for them, the changing attitudes towards smoking. While the problem with the four men in the beginning was the burgeoning change, and their cynical view of the ''new kid'', they decided to do it the young way and start over with the talented(questionable in some cases, but no doubt ambitious) workers instead of going along with the McCann transition. Maybe because of this, it will be successful. #madmenseasonfinale
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    Image of Sunshineyness Sunshineyness
    11/10/09

    @RousseMacabre: Quite the opposite in my opinion. Look at the main people they picked to go with them. You have Harry who's been screaming that TV is the future to deaf ears (which, it is) Pete who's been shouting demographics to false ears (which, it is) and Peggy who's been shouting pitch female products in a way that appeals to women to deaf ears (which, it is). Their staff is full of people who are focused on the future whilst left behind were the ones still towing the line.

    I think Lucky Strike is really a "big account for now" type thing. They'll use it to get started but once the ball starts rolling they'll hopefully pick up another big client. Perhaps a car company? Didn't car advertising start to skyrocket in the60's/70's? I say that completely unsourced and too lazy to research but something like that.
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Mad Men: Ain't That A Kick In The Head?
    I don't get why everyone is saying the Peggy-refusing-to-get-coffee thing is so freaking momentous. It was funny, sure, but it is not the first time she has had to refuse a request like this, despite everyone playing it up like it is, and it will NOT be the last time. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    @redqueenmeg: I think it was like the change in tone. The first time she refused to get coffee she was kind of indignant, like how dare you, I'm a copywriter, bitches! This time she said it with this kind of bland resignation, like she knew she was with the in-crowd, but also that she'll have to put up with this kinda crap for a looooooong time. Peggy = awesome. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Mad Men: Ain't That A Kick In The Head?
    Was I the only one waiting for Sal to come back? I thought for sure that when they couldn't open the Art Dept. door, they'd bring him in. #madmenseasonfinale
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    The Queen of No promoted this comment mynameisdita was starred mynameisdita was unstarred
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    11/09/09

    @mynameisdita: Don't think that's going to happen. 90% of the new agency's business is Lucky Strike and Lee Garner Jr. is the reason why Sal is gone in the first place. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    In reply to Mad Men: Ain't That A Kick In The Head?
    Any thoughts on why they chose Pete instead of Ken? #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    @stacyinbean: I think what Don said about him is correct, that he is always ahead of the curve. They are going to need that sort of person in a start-up business more than they needed another guy (Roger Sterling) with nice hair and the ability to schmooze clients.
    Also, they probably knew he was pissed off at not getting the promotion (missing work, not showing up at the wedding, etc.) and guessed that he might be getting his clients together in order to jump ship anyway. Though Roger did call him a little shit at the bar in offended tones, which was awesome!
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    11/09/09

    @stacyinbean: I get the feeling that Pete works harder. Ken does a good job and doesn't seem to worry about his work, but Pete pours himself into his accounts and stresses about them. It seems that for Ken his job is just that, but for Pete it's his whole life. That's something that Don can recognize. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    @stacyinbean: Pete has proven his loyalty when he informed Don of Duck's intention to become President after the first sale. Also, Pete and Trudy move in the right circles to build an agency. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    @stacyinbean: Pete is great at his job and he has fresh, interesting ideas. Maybe he also had bigger accounts than Ken? #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    @stacyinbean: What everyone else said, but ALSO! TLo actually pointed this out, Pete has Trudy. There are 5 partners (Pete is a partner, he just doesn't have his name on the door yet): Don and Bert are single, Roger's married to Jane who I don't see being the kind of wife who would be good at schmoozing, and Lane has a good company wife but she's bitter about being stuck in NY. Ken is also single. But Trudy is a happier, more urban version of Betty. She's beautiful, she's dedicated to Pete's career, and she'll throw dinner parties for clients. Jane and Lane's wife (I hate calling her that, but what the hell is her name?) will attend the parties and be supportive, but Trudy is going to be essential to making clients trust them.

    They may not have consciously recognized that, but it's definitely going to be a factor in their future success. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    @stacyinbean: Ken's kind of a golden boy, but he doesn't seem to be as forward-thinking as Pete. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: Jane would attend the parties and get shitfaced like she did at Derby Day and at Margaret Sterling's wedding. Rebecca (I looked it up on IMDB - the actor's name is Embeth Davidtz) Pryce would sit in a corner and sulk and complain about how intolerably filthy NYC is.
    Trudy would bring a lovely bundt cake. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    @snobographer: Excellent summation. I totally forgot that Harry is married, but as he's not a partner his wife (Jennifer?) isn't as important as Trudy, but I think she and Trudy could definitely pull some shit together and make it work. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/09/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: Jennifer Crane's said she wants to see more action. She and Trudy should talk. #madmenseasonfinale
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    11/10/09

    @Zombie Ms. Skittles: Well, Jennifer just had a baby and isn't as available as Trudy is for that kind of stuff. I'm, of course, assuming the Crane's don't have the money for a nanny and she's probably doing all the primary care herself. #madmenseasonfinale
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