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    11/13/09

    In reply to There's A Mad Man In The Office
    Unlikely, since that actor was also recently the "bad guy" in a Law & Order episode and I can't see Mad Men copying that particular storyline.

    The reason those plot points seem similar is that they're logical narrative trajectories for both. I somehow doubt S, C, D, and P are going to get re-absorbed. I don't think Mad Men relies on keeping the cast together in the same way The Office does, either. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    In reply to There's A Mad Man In The Office
    The whole situation with Don Draper's identity being stolen reminded me of the Simpsons episode when Principal Skinner's true identity is revealed. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    In reply to There's A Mad Man In The Office
    This just shows how much my love for The Office has waned in recent years...I read this claim and thought, "don't insult Mad Men like that!!!" #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    In reply to There's A Mad Man In The Office
    what is this picture from? harry is cute in modern day dress! #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @browngirlinthering: When Pam went to art school, and met a dude played by the actor who plays Harry, who said something Jim-esque that one time, and we were all like, "Uh oh! Tough competition for old Jimbo! Wonder what's gonna happen?!" and then he was never, ever heard from again. The end. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    In reply to There's A Mad Man In The Office
    Nah, they're all ripping off Jerry Maguire. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    In reply to There's A Mad Man In The Office
    Roger Sterling sleeping with Peggy's mom would be a significant plot twist, I'll give them that. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    In reply to There's A Mad Man In The Office
    I really doubt that Matthew Weiner gets his ideas from a low-rent unfunny sitcom. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    In reply to There's A Mad Man In The Office
    I finally watched the MM finale and didn't even make that connection. Huh.

    I loved the pioneer spirit of all the new peeps in their office/hotel room! And I totally predicted that Joan would come in and whip that shit into shape. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @Penny: I was glad that Joan was the essential piece to the puzzle. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    In reply to There's A Mad Man In The Office
    oh no! That means next season of mad men will be completely lame and unwatchable. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @JoaquinPhoenix's Hairstylist: And soon people will start saying that they prefer the earlier British version of Mad Men because it is far superior. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @JoaquinPhoenix's Hairstylist: I have said and continue to say that the Office started sucking when Jim and Pam got together as a permanent thing. Their star-cross'd tension and little jokes between them used to drive the show, and Michael and Dwight and Creed were pleasant diversions. Now it's the Michael Scott show with Boringest Couple in the World playing sidekicks.

    Break up Jim and Pam! Save The Office! #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @mbprice: I don't even need them to break up just have some realistic issues. JESUS. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @bluebears: What, a creepy clown painting that they can't scrape off of the load-bearing wall of the house that Jim bought for Pam isn't realistic enough a problem for you?

    What do you want, their left arm or something? #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @IndignationCoordinator: what couple doesn't struggle with those compelling issues?? #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @bluebears: Honestly, I've been quite disinterested with Pam and Jim for a few seasons now. The last good plotline was centered around Michael getting fired and starting his own paper company, but even that seemed to fizzle out. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @bluebears: I know, right?

    Mine depicted a lonely sailboat and we managed to scrape it off that wall.

    Shut up, The Office. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @IndignationCoordinator: my BF and I had to deal with a crusifiction painting that was actually a support beam. tragic.
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    11/13/09

    @bluebears: They've made Jim way too perfect. He'll never do the wrong thing, make the wrong decision, fight with Pam, etc. They made him so swoon-worthy that without the romantic tension, the character's got no teeth. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @jigglyball: Oh, I have to disagree. He may be boringly perfect in his personal life, but his work life is still a mess. Now that he's co-manager, you can see he's not that savvy about the workplace. His every move is a misstep and he's this close to being overthrown by the plebes. Even Pam's been pissed at him about his management style. He's like Michael-in-training. Now I can see what Michael was like when he first became a manager. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @jigglyball: Well, they do seem to be making him into Michael Scott Part Deux this season, so... #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @willwriteforfood: Exactly. He is now a non-Rebel without a Stapler-inside-Gelatinated-Foodstuffs.... And hella boring. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @willwriteforfood: I agree that he's not super adept in the managerial role, but the office shenanigans, while great, were always kind of secondary to the relationships. For me, at least. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @mbprice: Except perpetual star-crossed stuff gets really annoying. Although The Office is a kind of hyper reality, it still maintains at least the perception of "this is possible". The show's been on for 5 years Pam and Jim would've gotten together, or one of them would have left.

    I honestly don't think they're boring. I think we're too used to soap operatic relationships in these types of shows. So the expectations need to adjust. I mean, it's fine if you don't like it, but I don't think people getting together and staying together is inherently boring. I'm relieved, honestly. I find will they won't they stuff really boring once you go past 3 years.

    My only real gripe with the show is that we need a direction for some of the characters. Jim is weirdly inept at being a manager, and while I'm all for showing character flaws, he's doing things that don't hold up to past development.
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    11/13/09

    @bluebears:
    Well...there was the long distance thing while Pam was in school. There's been the job stuff. Pam's folks splitting up. A pregnancy. And the wedding which didn't exactly go as planned.

    Sure, some of the other stuff is silly...but that's kind of the show. It's always been like that.

    And the house thing, well, first time home buying can be weird. I don't know that personally, but friends have gone through stuff way weirder than the clown painting. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @tiredfairy: it's just that every problem is "resolved" in a ridiculous manner. The house thing for example. I mean he bought a house for them to live in without once discussing it with her. His partner. Totally fine...It's just that stuff happens there is 10 minutes of dramatic tension and then its resolved. And I don't agree that it was always like that on the show. Compare that to the tension that was ongoing in season 2 and I don't mean sexual tension. There were issues and they weren't resolved by the end of the episode or they didn't just go away in 3 episodes by inserting some deus ex machina into the scene. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    @bluebears: No, I'd agree with you there. They do tend to wrap things up almost immediately more than they used to. Although some of that could be explained via the relationship. They legitimately seem to be in sync a lot of the time, which was always what I liked about the relationship, even when they were apart.

    Yeah, I know, I think we've discussed the house thing before. :} And I would've liked more there, even if it was just Pam saying she loved it, or showing her using the studio, or whatever.

    I do think they've done things and then dropped the thread more than they used to. Most of the stuff that's left dangling is for other characters, Jim and Pam seem to deal with their stuff, which is fine. We just don't see as much of them as we used to. Which is partly due to relationship evolution, but also I think a lack of focus in other storylines.

    To be honest, I'm not especially thrilled with the Jim-is-incompetent thing they've got going. I don't need to see him act like Michael, only in a Jim way. Jim's character has needed some forward momentum for awhile now, but this particular choice just seems out of character to me. Kind of like how bizarrely out of character Pam was in that chair episode. I have no problem with characters evolving, or even being unlikable or having unlikable sides to them...but it shouldn't seem like it's an entirely different person all of a sudden. #madmenandtheoffice
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    11/13/09

    In reply to Bon Voyage, Betty! And Other Meditations On Mad Men
    Amazing, insightful post.

    There really is no way to tell what sort of human she would have become under different circumstances – but then is there ever? For all I know Betty would be just as boring in modern times, but last time I checked I didn't believe in feminism for some, or feminism for the nice, or feminism for friends only. #madmen
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    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    I don't think that he meant it in this context. He is far too smart a political figure to openly say that sexism is hilarious. I interpreted his statement as: The acts of racism and sexism on the show are appalling. I don't find it funny. But there are times when certain things are said or done to a woman on the show that are so shocking that it incites a sort of uncomfortable, "Holy shit, I can't believe that just happened" kind of laughter. #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    @secretlycontroversial: I agree. I think it all is part of the theory that comedy is funny if it's not happening to you. Take any random "hilarious" occurrence from a sitcom and pretend it really happened to you. Usually not nearly so funny! #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    I love you Bill but:

    I read the Jones v. Clinton case in full (they made us when we took torts). Just because you're smarter at how you take advantage of your position*, doesn't mean your personal treatment of some women wasn't pretty skeezy. It just means we were aware of it.

    *If you've never read it, he pulled it out while in a room with her and suggested she kiss it." When she turned him down he assured her he didn't want her to do anything she wasn't comfortable with. (Before telling her he'd help her out of she got trouble for not being at work and more or less told her to keep her mouth shut.)

    On one hand, the way he phrased it was so ridiculous is comical. On another hand, its a horrible thing to do to someone. And with a history like that, its kind of hard to take his statements seriously.

    (Oh and if you're curious? The complaint in Jones v. Clinton is here - [www.scottpcook.com]

    The facts were reaffirmed in the district court case I read in full.)
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    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    Shorter Bill: "Racism is horrible, but sexism is hilarious." #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    "The way women were treated is appalling..."???

    Well, isn't that one for the Selective Memory World Record book? #billclinton
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    11/12/09

    In reply to What, Only Occasionally?
    Me thinks Pres is a member of Team Joan. #billclinton
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