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02:35 AM
This is not to 'endorse' her or 'attack' Obama or whatever (and I actually can't even believe I have to state this as a disclaimer), but a runner-up beauty queen doesn't really have the same power or influence as the POTUS, and that's a very crucial point to make.
(I kind of totes believe her on the Trump thing, tho. That man is a creeper, through and through!) #carrieprejean
08:29 AM
But of course what Prejean wants is to claim that because she has the same bigotry as Obama she must also have some of his good qualities.
Not so much. #carrieprejean
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see, when you put it this way it just sounds plain ol' unconstitutional. #carrieprejean
02:20 AM
I am of the idea that the government shouldn't really get involved in marriage AT ALL...other than a marriage certificate being considered as legal proof for hospital visitation and the like. CIVIL UNIONS, from gay and straight couples, should be legally recognized. Marriage? That should be up to whatever church or organization marries you. If, say, civil unions were legal for anyone, but the Catholic church decided not to marry gays, fine. They can be a private institution. But the government has to marry anybody...which then gets into polygamy, which is insane and all, but I'm of the opinion that consenting adults can do whatever they want as long as it doesn't harm anybody else. *whew*
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Am I missing something? Why exactly can they still claim "marriage" as something that belongs to them, exclusively?
@Ulookinatmyjunk, JOC: Seconded. She's as boring and stupid as every other cretin who makes themselves famous by being pretty (or plastic...Speidi?) on the outside, REALLY stupid on the inside, but all I can think when I see her (or Sarah Palin) is, "Fuck off, little girl. Go away, go away, go away." #carrieprejean
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Of course, I kid. It would have been so easy for me to not read it. It was just too tempting! #carrieprejean
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whoa whoa whoa, miss prejean back the truck up. legally recognized sacrament? sacrament = church, legal = state. never the twain shall meet. theres that pesky little thing called the first amendment of the us constitution.
although i agree with the second part of her statement (i cant believe i just wrote that). obama has a virtually identical position on gay marriage. just because he doesn't sound the moral panic alarm or scream at the hysterical pitch of miss prejean, he has no intention of repealing doma in the near future and has defended marriage as an exclusively heterosexual institution. its not so simple as a red state/blue state division. there are plenty of anti-gay rights democrats. #carrieprejean
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There are a slew of ways to go after Glen Beck without pushing the tired idea that it's fine to push misogynistic violence as entertainment or to score cheap points. It just trivializes it. #carrieprejean
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Carrie: "I'm a bigot, but so is the President."
That means that you are still a bigot, Carrie! #carrieprejean
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Basically, she's calling progressives out for giving him a pass, even as they hate her for having the same belief about what the legal definition of marriage should be.
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I was agreeing with wtfox?! that she can't deflect her own bigotry just by saying the president agrees with her. That just means they're both bigots. #carrieprejean
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She did get happier when she started working when I was in HS but was never really happy with her role.
She's very happy now. She doesn't have to take care of anyone other than herself for the first time in her life . I can't imagine being a prisoner to everyone else's expectations. Aren't you glad we don't have to be? We get to chose. #madmen
11/10/09
Furthermore, I'm sick of people painting her as a bad mother. Instead of being angry with her for that, why not look at the fact that back then getting married pretty much said "you will also have children someday." There was far less in the way of birth control. Just because Betty might've wanted to get married doesn't mean she was ready and interested in also becoming a mother, especially not quite so young. She is suffering from the effects of having no options, and her husband has been a lying, cheating bastard throughout their entire marriage. If she has "flat affect," I think it's pretty freaking understandable! #madmen
08:42 AM
To be truly happy yourself you have to be able to inhabit another's shoes for more than a mile to gauge why they might be angry or abusive or just miserable. You can't just write others off as "jerks." It diminishes both of you.
We all suffer disappointments and should seek common ground, not separation and alienation. #madmen
11/10/09
The thing about Betty is...you're supposed to find her all the things people find her. Pampered. Hollow. Superficial. Cold. She is those things, because she's been made those things. Because no one has ever expected more from her, so she doesn't even know she could be more...although I think she has glimpses of it. And there are clearly embers of a need to be something...to get out...to figure out some other life than this. Women at that time were supposed to be happy little extensions of their husbands, content with a life where they were basically indentured servants. Even with all the privileges in Betty's life, she's still trapped and caged. A pretty prison is still a prison.
To me, Betty's character is all about restriction. Restricted emotions, restricted choices, restricted ideas, a restricted life. She's a woman on the brink, stuck in a world that limits her, stuck with her own limitations...stuck with a life she should want but doesn't.
The people who don't understand why she's with Henry seem to have missed the whole scene about divorce then. Even if Don doesn't fight her, he hasn't exactly proven himself to be trustworthy. She has no career, and though she's clearly educated, the only job she had was modeling. She's not really in a position to effectively navigate the world. And Henry is, in every way, a far more transparent man than Don. He lives his life in the public eye, working for a politician. He's not in a position to lie and mislead her the way Don was.
Betty is, in many ways, what the stereotypical "childish" woman comes from. Because women were treated like children. By partners, by the law, by society. It shouldn't be shocking to anyone that some people can't just snap out of that. And the whole point of her character is exploring where a person like that comes from, and what they do. I find it fascinating because it's so unlike me.
I think hating her is convenient. Because admitting that women are, in a lot of ways, still expected to be like her is scary. And we resent it. And we resent women like her because they didn't just get out of it. Because we want more agency than that. And identifying with Betty, even in a small way, must feel like admitting that there's still something compelling in that version of womanhood. Otherwise I don't see how anyone could go around defending or forgiving Don as a character while condemning her. #madmen
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I really like this assessment - and I think I end up defending her a lot because of it.
As for January Jones's acting ability - I'm kind of excited to see her this weekend in SNL, just to prove she can do something than 'ol frozen, deadened-soul-face-lady (I've never seen her in anything else.) #madmen
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Personally, I don't hate her, and I don't identify her primarily as a privileged person in her world. Her husband has a lot more privilege and agency than her, and he treats her terribly.
The "She should just leave" crowd, which turned into the "Henry Francis is just another Don Draper; she should just leave and be single" crowd, is misguided in my opinion. Note how much more receptive the lawyer was to her prospects when came in with HF. She would lose her kids for sure without another husband and she doesn't want to do that. She has no assets to her name, not even her father's house, not because she hasn't been working, but because she's been laboring for free for Don for all these years. She couldn't get hired anywhere, even for peanuts as a secretary. She has no credit, she couldn't get a loan, what would you have her do?
As for her and HF not knowing each other for long, the long courtships of today were not the norm then. Part of the reason for this was the economic imperative for women to marry, and part of this was the social and legal barriers to premarital sex, including the illegality of abortion and restricted access to b.c.
Henry Francis is not dismissive of her thoughts and desires. He treats her like an adult, and so far, he's been honest with her. He seems not to need to be married to advance his career, as Don does. I hardly see where the comparison is between the two men. #madmen
11/10/09
Betty's problems represent conflicts long before and long after the 1960s, so why are we pretending that Betty should have made a choice to leave without support, when we all know people who feel just as trapped in the 21st century? Some laws may have changed, but some attitudes haven't. #madmen
11/10/09
It amazes me that the attitude proliferates among Jezzies about a woman fifty years ago. #madmen
11/10/09
How can you tell he isn't dismissive of her thoughts and desires? They have had like 20 minutes of screen time this whole season. I understand the justification for her leaving, but Henry Francis isn't awesome just because he isn't Don Draper.
And I was never in the "she should leave him" crowd because any marriage she gets into in 1963 is going to be some level of what she has now. #madmen
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In the conversations they've had, he's consistently taken her seriously and listened to her. Yes, they don't know each other very well, but it's not realistic for them to just date open-endedly. The culture has changed a lot since then.
Betty wants to be married, but to a more caring, more honest man. There's a big difference between Don and just any man she might marry. #madmen
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I sometimes wish Mad Men would acknowledge the working class. #madmen
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