And if she's that much in debt she isn't as rich as she claims to be anyway. If she were rich she wouldn't be incurring debt, she would be earning money on all of her stocks, bonds and securities and living off of the interest and not having time to spend it all. That's what I consider rich.
People like me make people like Liz Jones feel rich. People like Liz Jones make me feel not so desperately poor.
I ride the bus, and anything "designer" I own is from the H&M designer or Target Go collections, but I sure as hell don't have $300k in debt, or an "interest-only" home mortgage. I'm getting some nasty debt from law school, but at least I'll have a law degree, and not a bat sanctuary from it. And I've yet to pawn any jewelry given to me by family members or close friends. She didn't last a week before trying to pawn jewelry her dad gave her! Unreal! I do feel bad for her, I cannot imagine having such insanely mixed-up priorities.
I'm guessing now she knows the pearls aren't real, she won't be wearing them ever again. Clearly, she wasn't wearing them because her dad gave them to her, she was wearing them only because she thought they were expensive.
There are ways for people of means to live like a poor person for the sake of journalism. Morgan Spurlock's 30 Days did it very well. Barbara Ehrenreich did it in Nickel and Dimed. Liz Jones did not. She comes across like Marie Antoinette, pretending to live the simple life not because she really wanted to explore the reasons why poverty persists in our society, but because she was bored and just wanted to try it because she thought it would make her look virtuous and deep.
@willwriteforfood: I always think of Ehrenreich's stint at Wal-Mart when she points out that she can't afford to buy a blouse on clearance on what she makes working there.
When my grandpa was coming back from the Korean War, he stopped off in Okinawa and bought my grandma a double-strand pearl necklace. About twenty years ago, the pearls at the top of the strand started to flake. Turns out half of them are fake, to my grandpa's extreme dismay. My grandma didn't care.
My grandma gave it to me right before she passed away. I don't care that half of them are fake and my grandpa was ripped off--well, I do a little, because it really bothers him. If I was running out of a burning house, the first thing I'd grab beyond pets and important papers is that necklace.
OBVIOUSLY the pearls, a gift from her father, didn't mean ENOUGH to her if she was trying to pawn them. For more THINGS. *grr* That really gets my goat. I have some things that are, for the most part, absolutely WORTHLESS that I will never get rid of because of how they were given to me. I'm not being a hoarder. I'm honoring the spirit in which those things were given, and the wonderful time we were having on those occasions. It sounds like the author learned a lesson--but the WRONG one.
@tammygarrison: You know, that part didn't dawn on me during the first read-through.
Of course she'll pawn the pearls... she won't need them next week when she's not doing her little social experiment. But that £1000 handbag... psh, it's only for a week. Let's not get crazy.
This is what I don't understand: She's incredibly wealthy and owns a plethora of designer goods, yet she chooses to pawn a string of pearls given to her by her dad on a sentimental occasion? What the hell? She says the handbag she's carrying cost £1000. Why not pawn that? Or one of the other pieces of jewelry she undoubtedly owns? My parents gave me a string of pearls on my 21st birthday and they would be one of the last things I would pawn in a dire situation, not the first.
I question either a) the truth of this story or b) Liz Jones's morals and values (or lack thereof).
@vulcanized: my thoughts as well! She was most likely doing it for the dramatic effect or just flat out lying. My greatgrandmother gave me a topaz and diamond necklace before she died. It's not that fancy but I would never let go of it for anything.
@KelseyElle: I have a ring from my great grandmother that I was actually shocked to find out was real :) One of the stones chipped, and I went into a jewelry store to beg them to fix the ring, even though I know no place will fix costume jewelry and they told me the appraisal price and the cost to fix it... not only did I insure it, but I also DIDN'T replace the stone.
@vulcanized: Frankly, my parents could give me a goddamn candy necklace, YOU DON'T PAWN GIFTS (from people you like). Not to buy something else. Possibly to replace a kidney or keep from being evicted. Not to make a point in your little experiment with poverty. Sorry, but the fact that you were willing to give up the pearls to buy something else makes the tears a bit crocodile when you find out they won't be enough to buy you a pair of heels or whatever.
Also, on a purely OTHER more nitpicky note, I think it's outside of the spirit of the "challenge" she set herself of living within a set amount to get rid of things she doesn't want so that she can get more things that she does.
"You'll never live like common people
You'll never do whatever common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
and then dance and drink and screw
because there's nothing else to do"
@vulcanized: It's from a 1947 villain called the Penny Plunderer who was obsessed with... pennies. The animated TV series retconned it into an encounter with Two-Face, who is a bit scarier and easier to respect than a dude called 'Penny Plunderer.' Yay Wikipedia!
The thing about the pearls was actually a little sad. I imagine finding out they were fake was a huge shock for her. But other than that bit of sympathy, I can only say I do not envy anyone in that kind of debt. I get nervous stomach when my little bills arrive, and I can't even imagine the feeling of despair you'd likely experience in a situation like hers. I realize that no one gets themselves that deep into debt by accident, and you have to learn to live within your means, and for a lot of people (me included) figuring out exactly what your means actually are is quite hard.
what the hell is bat sanctuary anyway, what does it to for you and why does it cost so much? i try to google it but i still don't get it.
anyway Liz Jones is the typical rich bitch type. which is my least favorite kind of people. i get so anoyed by them it's ridicules. it's just that they are so dismissing for other people's life choices and circumstances. grrr.
Well, of course she's broke now.
Once the bats realized she was out-battying them and they'd been born to it while she'd had to work at it, they stopped paying rent on the sanctuary.
She's a writer, right? For a newspaper, right? Unless writing for a newspaper in the UK is like working for a hedge fund in the US, I don't understand how she can afford to live this extravagantly.
@whynotshesaid: She can't. She's thousands of dollars in debt - "despite a hefty salary I am £150,000 in debt (not including my horrendous, interest-only mortgage"
@cate3710: I'm sorry....how in the hell?! EXCLUDING HER HOME??? I mean I have some serious debt but that got me a law degree so its more an investment. How the hell do you spend 6 figures after housing yourself on just stuff?? seriously how?
@bowleserised: I don't know if I want to hug her and try and fix her obviously horribly low sense of self-worth or slap her. I live in the UK and I live well but I still spend maybe 40 pounds a week after rent on stuff and feel guilty for even spending that much oh and I'm probably 20 years younger than she is have this much debt AND STILL HAVE AN IRA I FUND. Her piece is both scary and reassuring me I'm not so poor.
@Alohamaid: I know! That positively boggles the mind. I mean, my student loan debt is unenviable, but if I had that much consumer debt, I'd be worth more dead than alive.
I understand spending lavishly if you have the money. And I understand going into debt for things like education or because you can't afford necessities. But I've never been able to understand spending lavishly if you DON'T have the money. There are always going to be emergencies that need to go on the credit card (pet gets sick, car breaks down, whatever), but beyond that, I have a lot of trouble understanding spending beyond your means unless you absolutely have to.
(I do admit that I am speaking from of a position of privilege here, though. I have never been in a situation where I have been unable to pay for necessities plus a little extra.)
@cate3710: Look downthread here, @ what hortense said to Penny.
Once I got a grip on the pace at which a sense of inadequacy combined with denial can outstrip logic?
The whole human race started to make much more sense.
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: I saw that, and I kind of get it, but I guess b/c I've always had the privilege of being at least middle-class I can't fully wrap my head around it. I always come back to "It's just stuff!" and have to remind myself that stuff and the image it conveys are very important in our world, and I've been lucky enough to never have to think too hard about it.
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: "Once I got a grip on the pace at which a sense of inadequacy combined with denial can outstrip logic?
The whole human race started to make much more sense."
If I could heart you again for this, I would.
@cate3710: "I guess b/c I've always had the privilege of being at least middle-class I can't fully wrap my head around it. "
I don't know that one necessarily follows from the other.
I read about a test where classical women violinists were not hired for orchestras, at a rate approaching something like 15:1 (fifteen men for every one woman), when they were physically visible to their all-male evaluating panel, at their auditions.
However, when the women performed behind a screen, rendering them invisible to the judges, the women were hired at an equal 1:1 ratio.
That, in turn, helped me understand why male senior partners at Big 8 accounting and law firms might fail so egregiously at hiring women partners -- even when (and sometimes especially when) the women were better at generating revenue than male senior associates at their level. That their plain old prejudice might be based in part in fear that women might be better at their jobs than they were.
Now a lot of these guys are millionaires, which I think even in U.S. money is still at least upper-middle class these days.
The whole belief system seems have less to do with what you have in absolute terms, and more to do with what you feel you don't presently have in comparison to someone else, or could lose to someone else in the future.
What I tend to describe as some of the toxic fallout of acute "comparisonitis" in our lovely society and its forebears.
@Rooo sez BISH PLZ: That sense of inadequacy doesn't just come from living among people with better means, or bad childhoods, or inherent psychology - it's cultivated very deliberately by companies to make us buy more stuff. The idea that objects will make us better didn't become so strong on its own.
"She cries because her parents didn't have the money to buy her the real thing, not because she's realized that the "real thing" isn't what made those pearls so important to her."
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I ride the bus, and anything "designer" I own is from the H&M designer or Target Go collections, but I sure as hell don't have $300k in debt, or an "interest-only" home mortgage. I'm getting some nasty debt from law school, but at least I'll have a law degree, and not a bat sanctuary from it. And I've yet to pawn any jewelry given to me by family members or close friends. She didn't last a week before trying to pawn jewelry her dad gave her! Unreal! I do feel bad for her, I cannot imagine having such insanely mixed-up priorities.
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There are ways for people of means to live like a poor person for the sake of journalism. Morgan Spurlock's 30 Days did it very well. Barbara Ehrenreich did it in Nickel and Dimed. Liz Jones did not. She comes across like Marie Antoinette, pretending to live the simple life not because she really wanted to explore the reasons why poverty persists in our society, but because she was bored and just wanted to try it because she thought it would make her look virtuous and deep.
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When my grandpa was coming back from the Korean War, he stopped off in Okinawa and bought my grandma a double-strand pearl necklace. About twenty years ago, the pearls at the top of the strand started to flake. Turns out half of them are fake, to my grandpa's extreme dismay. My grandma didn't care.
My grandma gave it to me right before she passed away. I don't care that half of them are fake and my grandpa was ripped off--well, I do a little, because it really bothers him. If I was running out of a burning house, the first thing I'd grab beyond pets and important papers is that necklace.
Sincerely,
la.donna.pietra
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Of course she'll pawn the pearls... she won't need them next week when she's not doing her little social experiment. But that £1000 handbag... psh, it's only for a week. Let's not get crazy.
She really is repulsive.
11/22/09
#calendar
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I question either a) the truth of this story or b) Liz Jones's morals and values (or lack thereof).
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Also, on a purely OTHER more nitpicky note, I think it's outside of the spirit of the "challenge" she set herself of living within a set amount to get rid of things she doesn't want so that she can get more things that she does.
11/21/09
You'll never do whatever common people do
You'll never fail like common people
You'll never watch your life slide out of view
and then dance and drink and screw
because there's nothing else to do"
11/21/09
Really, I'll start flapping right now...
11/21/09
£26,000, isn't that bad, considering the amenities that came with her bat sanctuary.
11/21/09
ETA: That is a hell of a steep incline to drive up in the Batmobile. Poor design, Mr. Wayne.
11/21/09
@random_play: Amazing.
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#tips
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But why is there a giant penny in his trophy room? I'd like to know what that's the trophy for.
ETA: @sharkish: You beat me to it! Great minds...
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"He escaped with thousands and thousands of pennies! Seriously, there must have been, like, at least twenty bucks there!"
11/21/09
Steep driveway=irrelivent.
11/21/09
@vulcanized: He maybe destroying the environment, but he makes a mean salad dressing.
11/21/09
She's still an asshole, though.
11/21/09
anyway Liz Jones is the typical rich bitch type. which is my least favorite kind of people. i get so anoyed by them it's ridicules. it's just that they are so dismissing for other people's life choices and circumstances. grrr.
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#tips
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Once the bats realized she was out-battying them and they'd been born to it while she'd had to work at it, they stopped paying rent on the sanctuary.
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I also have the same question of many on this side of the pond as well. I mean, shaving one's legs sucks but not THAT much.
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(I do admit that I am speaking from of a position of privilege here, though. I have never been in a situation where I have been unable to pay for necessities plus a little extra.)
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Once I got a grip on the pace at which a sense of inadequacy combined with denial can outstrip logic?
The whole human race started to make much more sense.
11/21/09
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The whole human race started to make much more sense."
If I could heart you again for this, I would.
11/21/09
I don't know that one necessarily follows from the other.
I read about a test where classical women violinists were not hired for orchestras, at a rate approaching something like 15:1 (fifteen men for every one woman), when they were physically visible to their all-male evaluating panel, at their auditions.
However, when the women performed behind a screen, rendering them invisible to the judges, the women were hired at an equal 1:1 ratio.
That, in turn, helped me understand why male senior partners at Big 8 accounting and law firms might fail so egregiously at hiring women partners -- even when (and sometimes especially when) the women were better at generating revenue than male senior associates at their level. That their plain old prejudice might be based in part in fear that women might be better at their jobs than they were.
Now a lot of these guys are millionaires, which I think even in U.S. money is still at least upper-middle class these days.
The whole belief system seems have less to do with what you have in absolute terms, and more to do with what you feel you don't presently have in comparison to someone else, or could lose to someone else in the future.
What I tend to describe as some of the toxic fallout of acute "comparisonitis" in our lovely society and its forebears.
Yow. I ramble.
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This is spot on and that makes me very sad.
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