Reason #1 why I don't buy a Libertarian impulse behind the Little House books:
The entire series is about sharing what you have with others, from Laura's penny to Almanzo's ride for wheat for the whole community. While there's a lot of emphasis on self-reliance, it's more communal and familial than individualistic.
My dad grew up in DeSmet, SD. You can still see the ruin of Laura and Alanzo's house. My grandmother was a tour guide at the Ingall's house in DeSmet well into her 80s. My sister and I had one of every item sold in the gift shop. My grandfather re-shingled the roof.
DeSmet remained a hard place to live well into my dad's childhood. Grandma suffered through the dust bowl. Dad went to school in a one-room schoolhouse. The family farm had no electricity and no running water.
@smizmar (formerly cointreau-teese): I agree that even when reading these as a child, it was clear to me that Ma's views toward "Indians" was meant to be seen as wrong and based in fear and misunderstanding. (The minstrel show, on the other hand, went completely over my head-- having no idea what "darkies" were, I thought they were portraying some kind of band of musical chimney sweeps a la Mary Poppins.)
In any case, while I see how these bits are offensive, I do think they present a good opportunity for parents to talk to their children about race in America. It is absolutely a fact that in the Ingalls' time, people were racist and ignorant and full of grotesque notions about "the other." I think it's a mistake to reject these books because they include those elements or try to whitewash the racism out of them. Hiding our problems doesn't help anybody.
I have a hard time believing that anyone, even a child, reading the books now would go, "Yeah! We should kill all the Indians! Minstrel shows for everyone!" If you are growing up in an environment where statements like those are seen as plausible in any way, you've got problems that are way bigger than Little House.
@mbot says Spock yeah!: Complete agreement. The books are by no means perfect, but it was a chance for me to learn about how people of color were treated. I was appalled by how Ma treated Indians, and really disliked her for a long time, until I was an adult and actually reread the series this past year. I realized that that was only one facet of her personality, and that without Ma, the family would have been destitute and possibly dead.
I think that with the right attitude, these can be very educational.
@babzie: Yes! Fried apples 'n' onions; popcorn and milk; quivering slices of head cheese; melting, savory spiced cream from the tip of a slice of apple pie. And then there's Little House in the Big Woods with its crackling pig's tail and squeaky cheese curds and attic full of pumpkins and preserves and wheels of cheese. I even love the food descriptions in The Long Winter (coarse brown bread! with a nutty flavor that was novel at first but soon grew as monotonous and oppressive as the endless blizzards!). So good.
@babzie: Do you have the Little House Cookbook? It's chocolate-covered awesome. And really as much fun to read as to cook from. Forty or so different ways to prepare cornmeal. You really get the idea: Farmer Boy was food porn for Laura, too. She grew up eating cornmeal, water, and salt.
Thurman writes of Rose: ""(Rose) had lived among bohemians in Paris and Greenwich Village, Soviet peasants and revolutionaries, intellectuals in Weimar Berlin, survivors of the massacres in Armenia, Albanian rebels, and camel-drivers on the road to Baghdad." "(She) acquired several languages, enjoyed smoking and fornication, and dined at La Rotonde when she wasn't motoring around Europe in her Model T."
She might have been frumpy, middle-aged and depressive when she helped her mother craft those indelible stories, but it's worth acknowledging she seems an intrepid, fearless journalist before then. I do have to respect that, she was successful at it, muck-raking or not. She knew how to spin a story, it seems. A complicated lady. Interesting, had a pang of remembrance, her birth in the "Little House" books! So that's what she went on to.. pretty great article.
@Baroness: She also wrote a book about American needlework for McCall's. I bought it just for the fact that she wrote it. She's definitely not easy to characterize.
@Baroness: Wilder Lane was crazy awesome in many ways. She was a seasoned traveler, adopted a boy from Albania (I might not be remembering everything), was a polyglot, and a good writer. I find her to be a fascinating historical figure, even if I don't really agree with all her views.
I enjoyed the Rose spin-off series more than the original Little House books precisely because the Wilders stayed in one place (at least in the books). My taste in books has always been strictly mainstream, so I liked that, as the books were published in the '90s, I was the same age as Rose. She went to school, had friend issues, flirted with boys...things that I recognized from my own life, but it still had historical flavor. As a child, I grew frustrated with the Ingallses always having to move and how Pa couldn't manage to keep a job.
I remember my mom reading one of the books in the series to me as my bedtime book for a while. Then one night we got to a description of them killing their pig and how Laura went to her bedroom and put her hands over her ears so she wouldn't hear the pig screaming when he was killed.
I started crying hysterically, and my mom was horrified that they included that in a children's book.
Needless to say, we moved on to Anne of Green Gables the next night. No more Little House stories for me!
I came across a few of these books in a thrift store recently and have started rereading them. I think what we see as Libertarian craziness now was more of a real pioneer spirit then - different times people, different times!
@AmoretteGoldsboro: Back then, it made perfectly good sense to want to strike out for the frontier, work your ass off, and accumulate property, wealth, and independence that you had no hope of getting in an urban environment. Nowadays, there aren't many places where someone can claim 100 acres just by putting a homestead on it and planting a crop.
Having recently reread the books for about the 20th time, I don't know if I interpret Pa as a crackpot. It seemed like Pa was just one of those people who can't pass up an opportunity. He was a trapper when they left Wisconsin, which meant that as people encroached, his livelihood was driven away. It wasn't just the "wanderlust," though that probably played a role as well. It seems really reasonable to me that he would see the opportunities provided by the Homestead Act and decide to try it out. Then, bad luck hits pretty much everywhere they go, and instead of sticking it out at each place, he keeps searching for a better opportunity. Really, he's like the 19th century version of a guy who keeps getting sucked into pyramid schemes or something.
The Little House books are always a sore spot with me because they seem to be so beloved amongst women of my generation, who don't understand how incredibly hurtful it is to be an eight-year-old Indian girl and hear your teacher cheerfully read out: "The only good Indian is a dead Indian!"
Screw that "that's what people thought back then" business, because in context of the phrase, "people" always means "white people" - even back then, there were whites who didn't villainise or exoticise Native peoples. There were whites who saw Indians as fellow human beings deserving of respect. There were white people who didn't treat "papooses" as some exotic little animal to spot on a scavenger hunt, and white people who didn't write about European-Native interactions as though the Indians were clumsy deer or bears wandering into town.
I'm also hesitant to append my political philosophy to the books, but in my case, you'd better believe I'm not reading them to my kids.
God how I love Little House on the Prairie- books, tv show, everything. I cried to hard when WPIX stopped showing the repeats that my cousin called the station to complain.
I think Rose tends to get a little too much credit. Laura was writing for newspapers years before the books were written. I know Rose did a lot of editing/polishing but I have a hard time thinking it is beyond the help a lot of novelists get from their agents, editors, and mentors.
I blame these books for my proclivity to keep moving. I can just go, "Oh, my traveler's foot is itching" like Pa Ingalls used to say.
It's getting to be a problem now that I'm getting older.
I wouldn't say it promotes a libertarian agenda as much as it celebrates a core value of libertarianism - self-sufficiency. It's pretty hard to argue that the ideas of self-sufficiency and independence aren't deeply woven into American life regardless of what political leanings you have, which is probably a big reason why the series has endured for so long.
Yeah, what about Pa's beard, Landon?
Pa did have his family in mind as he moved them around. Granted, leaving the woods of Wisconsin for the prairie was not a terrific decision in hindsight, but they were dependent on fur trapping for livelihood/survival. And it was becoming a dying business because of other settlers moving in. So Pa decided to try his hand at farming. Which failed, but that wasn't his fault. It was the fault of the government for telling him it was okay to move there, despite the fact it was already occupied by Native Americans (who were territorial, and rightly so). As for living in town "not being all that bad," I cite The Long Winter, wherein everyone in town is starving/freezing to death because of blizzards and being too dependent on deliveries from outside sources. When they were in the woods, they were able to stockpile and were dependent only on themselves.
In conclusion, Almonzo Wilder for the win. WAY HOTTER than his TV counterpart.
@Lady Skittlehattington: Hahaha. I posted this photo a few weeks ago for some odd reason. Well, probably no reason. Posting Almanzo's glamour shot is always relative.
@Stagtasticfantastic: Oh lord. I am not even that into romance, but just thinking about all the sleigh rides and name cards and suchlike makes me feel all fluttery inside. *swoons*
@wrapped in plastic: Little Town on the Prairie was better than porn for me. Oh, the romance. How wonderful. Almanzo was a genuinely good guy.
Trivia: After he died, Laura kept his pills just the way they were on the nightstand until she died. And they are still there and in the same formation now, except under glass. Sigh....
@Lady Skittlehattington: This reminds me of the time I came across an old photo of this SMOKING hot young man in early 1900s-period clothing. His name was Edward and I totally swooned over him.
Until my mother informed me that Edward was her grandpa. Sigh.
(That's okay, you're still hot, Papaw!)
I loved these books as a child (um, obsessively loved, to the point that, by the age of 12, I had visited all the homes, even the one in Pepin, WI, which is actually just a plaque and had a bonnet and prairie dress that I dorkily wore in 4th grade to school), but part of me fears that the adult-me (who is currently working on a PhD. in literature and philosophy) will find them disappointing if I ever have kids to read them to. I just want to tuck them nicely into my happy childhood memory. I really don't want them to be political, especially the libertarian kind of politicalism.
@banana_grabber: I feel the same way, and I just won't let politics spoil them for me. I can admire their self-sufficiency without letting Rose's politics spill all over them. I don't think she inserted any degree of self-sufficiency into them that wasn't there. Life *was* hard on the prairie, and there *wasn't* a government support network to save you if you made a bad gamble. It's not a bad message, even now. Used politically, it tends to leave out the degree of deprivation to which people were accustomed then. You want to be entirely self-sufficient now, be prepared to give up a lot more than just tax dollars.
@banana_grabber: I just re-read the series a few months ago, and I don't think the libertarianism is overt or pushy. What I did pick up on was that the family was incredibly self-sufficient, but that they were pretty much at the mercy of Pa's wanderlust. Moving because he didn't like seeing another house? COME THE FUCK ON, PA.
@banana_grabber: No! Read them again! I've read the entire series roughly once a year for the past 20 years, and it's always time well spent. Like coming back to an old friend. They're the literary equivalent of curling up in your favorite quilt with a cup of tea. Think of the carrot-dyed butter! Think of the strangely modern but fragrant oyster soup! Think of the sun-baked hay smell of the vast slough! Think of the tall stacks of pancakes soaked through with maple sugar! You can't give all that up just because some dickwad tries to tell you that Pa's pioneer spirit has some kind of relationship to modern libertarianism.
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The entire series is about sharing what you have with others, from Laura's penny to Almanzo's ride for wheat for the whole community. While there's a lot of emphasis on self-reliance, it's more communal and familial than individualistic.
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I agree. And also add a tired, sarcastic, "And libertarians NEVER share! We get kicked out of libertarian-land if we do."
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DeSmet remained a hard place to live well into my dad's childhood. Grandma suffered through the dust bowl. Dad went to school in a one-room schoolhouse. The family farm had no electricity and no running water.
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In any case, while I see how these bits are offensive, I do think they present a good opportunity for parents to talk to their children about race in America. It is absolutely a fact that in the Ingalls' time, people were racist and ignorant and full of grotesque notions about "the other." I think it's a mistake to reject these books because they include those elements or try to whitewash the racism out of them. Hiding our problems doesn't help anybody.
I have a hard time believing that anyone, even a child, reading the books now would go, "Yeah! We should kill all the Indians! Minstrel shows for everyone!" If you are growing up in an environment where statements like those are seen as plausible in any way, you've got problems that are way bigger than Little House.
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I think that with the right attitude, these can be very educational.
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She might have been frumpy, middle-aged and depressive when she helped her mother craft those indelible stories, but it's worth acknowledging she seems an intrepid, fearless journalist before then. I do have to respect that, she was successful at it, muck-raking or not. She knew how to spin a story, it seems. A complicated lady. Interesting, had a pang of remembrance, her birth in the "Little House" books! So that's what she went on to.. pretty great article.
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I started crying hysterically, and my mom was horrified that they included that in a children's book.
Needless to say, we moved on to Anne of Green Gables the next night. No more Little House stories for me!
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Screw that "that's what people thought back then" business, because in context of the phrase, "people" always means "white people" - even back then, there were whites who didn't villainise or exoticise Native peoples. There were whites who saw Indians as fellow human beings deserving of respect. There were white people who didn't treat "papooses" as some exotic little animal to spot on a scavenger hunt, and white people who didn't write about European-Native interactions as though the Indians were clumsy deer or bears wandering into town.
I'm also hesitant to append my political philosophy to the books, but in my case, you'd better believe I'm not reading them to my kids.
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I think Rose tends to get a little too much credit. Laura was writing for newspapers years before the books were written. I know Rose did a lot of editing/polishing but I have a hard time thinking it is beyond the help a lot of novelists get from their agents, editors, and mentors.
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It's getting to be a problem now that I'm getting older.
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Yeah, what about Pa's beard, Landon?
Pa did have his family in mind as he moved them around. Granted, leaving the woods of Wisconsin for the prairie was not a terrific decision in hindsight, but they were dependent on fur trapping for livelihood/survival. And it was becoming a dying business because of other settlers moving in. So Pa decided to try his hand at farming. Which failed, but that wasn't his fault. It was the fault of the government for telling him it was okay to move there, despite the fact it was already occupied by Native Americans (who were territorial, and rightly so). As for living in town "not being all that bad," I cite The Long Winter, wherein everyone in town is starving/freezing to death because of blizzards and being too dependent on deliveries from outside sources. When they were in the woods, they were able to stockpile and were dependent only on themselves.
In conclusion, Almonzo Wilder for the win. WAY HOTTER than his TV counterpart.
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Trivia: After he died, Laura kept his pills just the way they were on the nightstand until she died. And they are still there and in the same formation now, except under glass. Sigh....
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Until my mother informed me that Edward was her grandpa. Sigh.
(That's okay, you're still hot, Papaw!)
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