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    Image of robyngraves robyngraves
    11/30/09

    In reply to The Simpsons: Lisa Meets Wiccans
    This is stupid, you guys.

    Wicca isn't just about "the goddess." There's usually a male AND female god, names get chosen by the worshipper, and sometimes people use an entire pantheon instead of just the two. Witches can be men. Mr. Graves is a witch. And goddamn if he doesn't get pissed every fucking year at Halloween when he has to look at a bunch of idiots in pointy hats and green-painted skin mocking his religion. And now the Simpsons. Hey writers: how about you actually look into what your trying to make fun of, even the slightest bit, so that instead of relying on the same tired bullshit you can at least make fun of people for things that are actually true?

    Fuck you, Simpsons. Reno 911 did it way better than you.
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    Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith promoted this comment robyngraves was starred robyngraves was unstarred
    Image of Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
    12/01/09

    @robyngraves: whoa, calm down! I think you may have missed the point of this clip, oh, entirely. Plus your comment is so disjointed and oddly constructed that it's kinda hard to glean anything from your words other than that you may have been hittin' the rageahol. Which is a pity.
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    Image of robyngraves robyngraves
    12/01/09

    @Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: I was pissed when I wrote that, but rereading it still makes sense to me. But sure, I'll reword.

    The "point" of the clip just seems to be, Wicca is being made fun of by The Simpsons. If there's more to it than that, please enlighten me. Wicca being made fun of is not an issue to me. What bothers me is when it's being made fun of by people who have absolutely no understanding of the thing they're ridiculing. This is a personal anger, because my boyfriend follows the religion and I get to see how things like Halloween and pointy witch hats affect him.

    Things they got right- A spell is more a request than a command. If the gods will it, it happens. If not, too bad.

    Things they got wrong- Only women are witches (and also lonely pottery shop failures or cat ladies or whatever). There's only a goddess, no god. Cauldrons, but from the looks of that clip it was a set-up for the joke of dying the cat black and not actually for a spell (of course it would have to be a black cat). I'm not going to watch the whole episode, so I'll never know.

    I suppose it could end with some sort of moral lesson wherein all parties involved come to a greater understanding. Still, all anybody's going to remember is the stereotypes.

    I stand by my statement that Reno 911 did it better. Halloween episode.

    I also stand by my "Fuck you, Simpsons."
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    Image of Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
    12/03/09

    @robyngraves: i guess 'tongue in cheek' isn't an expression that's familiar to you, non?

    also: hallowe'en is kind of a little more substantial than just being a day to 'mock' your boyfriend's religion. goddamn, if your 'anger' isn't the most ridiculous thing i've seen on this site. for crying out loud, get some perspective.
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    Image of robyngraves robyngraves
    12/03/09

    @Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Kinda wondering how you don't understand why this might annoy some people.

    Kinda wondering how you get to be a "starred commenter" on one of the most notoriously PC-twitchy sites with that sort of attitude.
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    Image of Cam/ron Cam/ron
    11/30/09

    In reply to The Simpsons: Lisa Meets Wiccans
    I had a huge belly laugh when Patty brought up her sexual escapade with Kent Brockman after 9/11 - two college friends of mine oddly did the same thing after the attacks.
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    Image of Literatilisa Literatilisa
    11/30/09

    In reply to The Simpsons: Lisa Meets Wiccans
    Can we mention the quip Marge had at the end of the episode? "Lisa, now the only witch you need to worry about is which man will marry you!"
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    Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith promoted this comment Jack_Burton approved this comment Literatilisa was starred Literatilisa was unstarred
    Image of tiredfairy tiredfairy
    11/30/09

    In reply to The Simpsons: Lisa Meets Wiccans
    I've known a lot of Wiccan's and pagans (no, they are not the same) and though I know I should be all put out...that was pretty damn funny.

    Bart forgot to add that there's also often a tendency to HS level drama bombing well into middle age and special snowflake syndrome. All of which can be true of anyone, of course. But it's the Simpson's. They sort of thrive on stereotypes that have a grain of truth. Or they wouldn't be so mean/funny.
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    Image of sbarlow sbarlow
    11/30/09

    In reply to The Simpsons: Lisa Meets Wiccans
    What the hell is the point of this article other than to utilize someone's religious affiliation as a punch line? Oh, Haha, she's a Wiccan... so she'll end up old and alone with herds of cats. *Laugh track*
    I don't affiliate as Wiccan, but many of the BS bigoted stereotyping used here is used against Contemporary Paganism as a whole. Which I do identify with. I've come to an adult, rational conclusion with my religion over an oppressive journey of 9 years. The prejudice against Contemporary Pagans in the US rivals the prejudice here against other religious minorities such as Islam. It's a rough struggle to find your religious identity when faced with bombardment of stereotyping and bigoted punch lines.
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    HarpMadness approved this comment sbarlow was starred sbarlow was unstarred
    Image of HarpMadness HarpMadness
    11/30/09

    @sbarlow: I agree. I have many Pagan friends and when I identify with any sort of a spiritual path, that is the one I feel closest to. I have a sense of humor, but Paganism is so on the outside of the culture that when people pick on it, it isn't funny to me. It's just bullying.
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    Image of lucystrawberry: Tier 2 is the new black lucystrawberry: Tier 2 is the new black
    11/30/09

    In reply to The Simpsons: Lisa Meets Wiccans
    I am so effin SICK TO DEATH of all the stereotypes and misinformation spread in popular culture about pagans.
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    Image of JinxyMcDeath JinxyMcDeath
    11/30/09

    In reply to The Simpsons: Lisa Meets Wiccans
    It's interesting how little people know about Wiccans. I had a friend in HS who was Wiccan, so I happened to learn a lot about it awhile back. But, there is a secretary at my work that is Wiccan and it seems that NO ONE has any idea what that means and thinks she worships the devil. I have to constantly defend this woman and her religion, and I don't even like her.
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    Image of LexiD523 LexiD523
    11/30/09

    In reply to The Simpsons: Lisa Meets Wiccans
    I'm just disappointed that there is no Wiccapedia in real life.
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    hortense promoted this comment LexiD523 was starred LexiD523 was unstarred
    Image of Her Grace: SNOWED IN Her Grace: SNOWED IN
    12/01/09

    @LexiD523: Give it a week--the internet is resourceful!
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    Image of rdVark rdVark
    11/30/09

    In reply to The Simpsons: Lisa Meets Wiccans
    am i going crazy or is there a guy laughing maniacally in the background of that clip?
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    MargaretMoony promoted this comment rdVark was starred rdVark was unstarred
    Image of MargaretMoony MargaretMoony
    11/30/09

    @rdVark: Nope, I hear that too.
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    Image of Alessar Alessar
    11/30/09

    @rdVark: I think it's the mobsters to the side -- I heard it too.
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    Image of eatsshootsleaves eatsshootsleaves
    11/30/09

    In reply to The Simpsons: Lisa Meets Wiccans
    And here I thought the only step was being a fourteen-year-old on the verge of discovering her homosexuality!
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    Image of LilSpitfire LilSpitfire
    11/30/09

    In reply to The Simpsons: Lisa Meets Wiccans
    He also forgot the "owns lots of cats" part~
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    Alessar promoted this comment LilSpitfire was starred LilSpitfire was unstarred
    Image of Alessar Alessar
    11/30/09

    @LilSpitfire: Failed pottery shop allows you to skip that stage.
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    Image of foxiwiitch foxiwiitch
    11/30/09

    In reply to The Simpsons: Lisa Meets Wiccans
    Ahhh!! Its about time someone spent some time making fun of Wiccans!! I personally am a Wiccan and dispite being young, a healthy eater with no interest in pottery, and with only one color hair, I find myself annoyed that we get left out in favor of making fun of other religions. Its so nice to be included!
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    hortense promoted this comment foxiwiitch was starred foxiwiitch was unstarred
    Image of boobookitteh boobookitteh
    11/30/09

    @foxiwiitch: I'm just glad they're laying off the Unitarians!
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    Image of Tchotchke Tchotchke
    11/30/09

    @foxiwiitch: If they made fun of Scientology, do you think that Bart would magically disappear from the series, a la Chef/Isaac Hayes on Southpark? I'm curious. My money says, "Yes."
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    Image of Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
    12/01/09

    @boobookitt: Nuh uh- Todd Flanders played a videogame in some episode that involved some guy getting hit in the balls, and Todd exclaiming "now he's a unitarian!"

    Fuck I really take the humour out of recaps, don't I?
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    Image of Triphena Triphena
    11/30/09

    In reply to The Simpsons: Lisa Meets Wiccans
    "At least they left out "grow hair so long you can sit on it and add a purple streak."

    Ha! There's a Wiccan family in my town, and not only does the mom have hair like this, the dad's long, curly white mullet is dyed purple on one side.
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    Image of History Major History Major
    11/30/09

    In reply to The Simpsons: Lisa Meets Wiccans
    I enjoyed this episode for the most part but something seems a bit off about The Simpsons as of late.
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    the dodo, the cuckoo, and the nene promoted this comment History Major was starred History Major was unstarred
    Image of the dodo, the cuckoo, and the nene the dodo, the cuckoo, and the nene
    11/30/09

    @History Major: This is the first new episode I have watched in about 6 years. I found it reasonably amusing, but I feel like something is off. I guess I am becoming one of those "back in my day, the Simpsons was hilarious!" types, because nothing seems to measure up to the stuff I watched as a kid.
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    Image of Maritsa Maritsa
    11/30/09

    @History Major: As of late, like the last 7-8 years? I love classic Simpsons but it took a serious nosedive, IMO, around 2000. There are still a few laughs each episode, and a few really good eps each season, but the magic is gone for me. I cancelled my TiVo season pass last year.
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    Image of Triana Orpheus Triana Orpheus
    11/30/09

    @History Major: You know what it is? Bart and Lisa aren't kids anymore. They're miniature adults. They used to get into kid trouble, but now they have to solve broad social problems. I wish they would just get lost in the woods while camping again.
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    Image of History Major History Major
    11/30/09

    @Maritsa: Yeah I think something went wrong around the start of this decade too.
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    History Major was starred History Major was unstarred
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    11/30/09

    @Triana Orpheus: I agree.
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    Image of harperleebowitz harperleebowitz
    11/30/09

    @Maritsa: The first nine seasons are probably some of the best television ever made, and it just hurts me to watch any after that. Not only do I not laugh, I get madder and madder about what they've done to a once great show.
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    Maritsa promoted this comment harperleebowitz was starred harperleebowitz was unstarred
    Image of wrapped in plastic wrapped in plastic
    11/30/09

    @Triana Orpheus: YES. Lisa especially -- her plots often feel like they're written for a character of 16 or 17. I liked her better when she was a genius little kid who still liked cartoons.

    I think the scope of a lot of newer episodes is too... big, if you know what I mean: there always seems to be an encounter with real-world celebrities, or intercontinental travel, or what have you. I preferred when it was more focused on the Simpson family and their problems -- Homer gets a crush on Mindy, Bart sells his soul to Milhouse, Grandpa falls in love with Marge's mother -- rather than what happens when the family interacts with something completely external.
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    Image of KentuckyBabe KentuckyBabe
    11/30/09

    @harperleebowitz: yup. if i watch i have to take my pills. new simpsons angries up the blood!
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    IndignationCoordinator promoted this comment KentuckyBabe was starred KentuckyBabe was unstarred
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    11/30/09

    @KentuckyBabe: Watching a new Simpsons episode...that's a paddlin'.
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    Image of Cam/ron Cam/ron
    11/30/09

    @History Major: (warning: Comic Book Guy moment) The recent episodes are much better than those in recent years but the show's quality has been declining since '98. Many blame showrunner Al Jean for the downfall, but it also has to do with the fact that one could always tune into South Park and Adult Swim for dark, edgy cartoons. Seasons 3-8 are still reminders about why it was the best damn sitcom of the 90's.
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    Image of SUNNY1 SUNNY1
    11/30/09

    In reply to The Simpsons: Lisa Meets Wiccans
    Well, seeing as Lisa never actually grows, she might want to hit Wicca now.

    Though, I'm not so sure about the career disappointment. I thought she was going to be President in the future?
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    Image of Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
    12/01/09

    @SUNNY1: And being President can't be disappointing?
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    Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith was starred Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith was unstarred
    Image of SUNNY1 SUNNY1
    12/01/09

    @Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Ah, true! I guess I was thinking of career disappointment as never getting the job you wanted, rather than being let down by the job itself.
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    SUNNY1 was starred SUNNY1 was unstarred
    Image of Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith
    12/01/09

    @SUNNY1: ha, yeah- whereas I was just being deliberately difficult.
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    Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith was starred Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith was unstarred
    Image of SUNNY1 SUNNY1
    12/01/09

    @Vivien Smith-Smythe-Smith: Well then. A 15 minute time-out for you. Please go stand in the corner and face the wall.
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