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inabook
11/06/08

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Are they suggesting anything for younger women? Cause I have to issue of always, always, high libidofor the first couple months with a guy and then... low. out of nowhere.
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msAnthrope
11/06/08

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um, as a 49 year old and still-menstruating woman, i'm not so sure extra hair growth is that minimal a side effect. i've already got plenty of tweezing to do in places i don't want hair, and really really don't want to see more of that action on my face/breasts.

plus i really don't trust the pharms anymore. to me they just crank out new pills regardless of side effects (internal bleeding! heart attack! difficulty breathing! etc!) i'm sure in a couple of years there will be a long list of what havoc this drug wreaks on women once they've been taking it for a few years.

oh, and my sex drive is still just fine anyway, thanks but no thanks!
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Penny
11/06/08

@msAnthrope: I am 29 and I am already considering laser hair removal.
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msAnthrope
11/06/08

@Archetype:

i hear you! you should see my 6th grade portrait and the unibrow / stache i was sporting back then. kinda like lourdes, madonna's daughter.

it makes me wonder if most of the women in this study were blonds with no "pre-existing condition" of excess facial / body hair.
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Penny
11/06/08

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Women don't need drugs, in my opinion, they need head help. Most women I know with sex drive issues need to learn how to 1) gain confidence, 2) gear themselves up mentally, 3) fantasize, 4) concentrate to orgasm.

Not that anything is "wrong" with women, and plenty of women have perfectly fine sex drives, but I do feel like our heads play a larger role than with men.
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Magnakai Haaskivi
11/06/08

@Archetype: That might be true for some women, definitely. But to just dismiss it out of hand sounds a little like telling someone who's clinically depressed that she should just cheer up.
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Usedtobealice
11/06/08

@Archetype: Sorry, I have to respectfully disagree. I am a 49 year old woman who had a great sex drive until a hysterectomy. The physical side effects of that surgery (or full-blown menopause) can't be minimized. My situation may not be common but neither is it unique (according to my anecdotal research!)
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CrankyOldBroad
11/06/08

@Usedtobealice: Your situation is more common than not, unfortunately. I experienced a similar libido crash after my hysterectomy and the subsequent full-blown menopause. I truly don't think hormones are understood enough by the medical profession.
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G Gordon Liddy
11/06/08

@Magnakai Haaskivi: @Usedtobealice: @Eaten not Slurped: I think what Archetype is trying to say is, for the millions women who have not had surgery, congenital hormone issues, or undergoing menopause, there are many many of us who lose our libido. Its not a physical problem, its psychological, and pumping us full of hormones isn't going to fix it.

There is no quick fix for women who are too tired and stressed to try and have sex all the time, and the steps she's recommending are good ones.
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Penny
11/06/08

@G Gordon Liddy: Thanks....I didn't say all women, anyhow. I said that it's a problem more often plaguing women. Not sure how it was dismissive, but sorry if I insulted anyone.
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tscheese
11/06/08

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I have a couple of friends who are transitioning FtM, and their reports on the effects of testosterone are pretty astounding. I'm sure that the libido-magic dose is much lower than the doses that an FtM man would receive, but if it's enough to give you extra hair? I personally wouldn't do it. I got enough of that stuff.

I also have plenty of libido if I am drinking. Which, fortunately, is all the time!
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lizzzz
11/06/08

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I just need a teeny tiny little patch with a picture of Daniel Craig on it to put in a certain spot and I'll be ALL SET.
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morninggloria
11/06/08

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If you put on like 10 of them at a time, could you grow a beard? That might come in handy to women in colder climates.
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Penny
11/06/08

@morninggloria: Seriously. A beard, an extra layer of fat, and aggressiveness to beat off wolves and bears.
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etcerica
11/06/08

@morninggloria: I could finally participate in the office's No Shave November!
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morninggloria
11/06/08

@etcerica: And I can grow that handlebar mustache that I've always dreamed of!
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KathrynwithaY loves Joan Collins
11/06/08

@morninggloria: I want some bitchin' Elvis sideburns...
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Penny
11/06/08

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I swear I am not trying to be provocative here....but what about low doses of amphetamines. Whenever I've taken Adderall/Dex I get horny as fuck.
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AthertonMerriweather
11/06/08

@Archetype: The amphetamine in adderall is known to increase or decrease the sex drive.
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Penny
11/06/08

@AthertonMerriweather: Well, I also don't have ADHD, so I'm certain that changes any impact.
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msAnthrope
11/06/08

@Archetype:

my partner has ADD and when he was taking Adderall it also reved up his sex drive~~ which doesn't need reving as he already has problems with sex addiction.
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G Gordon Liddy
11/06/08

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I've had discussions with my Endocrinology(Hormone) Professors about this. Testosterone does different things in men and women. While it's connected to sex drive in men, it has almost nothing to do with it in women. This patch is a case of drug companies ignoring that men and women are different and being lazy.

Its also dangerous. Women should not be given hormones that aren't designed for our body. See the straight estrogen in the early birth control pills. Or the Patch. And they are talking about high levels of Testosterone here.
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chatterboxwriting
11/06/08

@G Gordon Liddy: Great point. As I mentioned above, I have high levels of testosterone for some reason (could be PCOS, but I also took HGH when I was younger and it totally f***ed the rest of my body up, so why not my hormone levels?) but my sex drive is pretty much in the garbage. I barely get aroused, I don't get wet, and I certainly don't orgasm. I'd rather read about sex than have it, to be perfectly honest.
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Penny
11/06/08

@G Gordon Liddy: Thank you for that information. Why do I feel like the solution to so many women's health issues is to throw hormones at it?
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dirtybee
11/06/08

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I don't need a higher sex drive - my boyfriend does.
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Penny
11/06/08

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Hey, just curious. Does Viagra work because of hormones as well? Or is there some other magic ingredient?
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AthertonMerriweather
11/06/08

@Archetype: It inhibits an enzyme called phosphodiesterase type 5, making muscle in the penis more likely to relax and allowing blood to flow in, causing an erection.
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Flackette Goes Retro
11/06/08

@Archetype: Viagra was actually originally developed as a blood pressure medication or some such. It works by opening up blood flow. It just turned out to have the very marketable effect of opening up blood flow to the penis. So it doesn't increase desire, just how easy it is to get hard.
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Dottie Gale
11/06/08

@Archetype: I think Viagra and Cialis and other ED drugs work to improve blood flow to the penis so men can acheive and maintain erections. The assumption is that men with ED always have the drive, just not always the mechanical ability.
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msAnthrope
11/06/08

@Archetype:

no, viagra works on blood circulation. it enables more blood flow to the genitals, thus resulting in the hard-on for men. theoretically this is why viagra can work for women as well. but it has nothing to do with desire, and everything to do with physiology. cart before horse? guess it depends!
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Penny
11/06/08

@AthertonMerriweather: @Flackette reminds everyone to Vote!: @Dottie Gale: Okay....so why does a similar drug for women HAVE to work via hormones?

I know nothing about this stuff, so I am honestly curious.
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AthertonMerriweather
11/06/08

@Archetype: Viagra treats the impotence, not the sex drive.
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Lizawithazee
11/06/08

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In related news, insurance companies just announced they would no longer cover testosterone patches.
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Penny
11/06/08

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Yeah, but will they also grow beards?

Seriously, I hate hormones. All hormones. Hormones and I do not get along.
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LaFemme
11/06/08

@Archetype: Me too. 1 year of birth control hell at 16 and I refuse to touch hormones in any form, for any purpose.
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chatterboxwriting
11/06/08

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This sounds interesting, but I already have elevated levels of testosterone (possibly from PCOS - never got a definitive diagnosis). I've got a very limited sex drive and I've never had an orgasm. So I don't know if this type of patch would help me.
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AthertonMerriweather
11/06/08

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Rawrrr!!! Come frolic in my pleasure patch!
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