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Former Ms. Editor Slams "Mismeasure Of Woman"
Ms. Matriarch To Daughter: "When Push Comes To Shove [Why] Can't You Vote For A Woman?"


10/27/09
Seriously, one could ask their husband to do more domestic labor so that they can do better at corporate life. What if he says no, or does a deliberately crappy job and blames it on his possession of testicles? What if he does it for a month and then is like, "now it's your turn" (to do 90% of the work instead of the 75% you did for a month)? If you get rid of him, you get lectured by well-meaning people about how THEY came up with a super-easy system of asking and now their husband does "almost half" of the work, they have great sex three times a week now, and little Madison is going to private school and they're getting a housekeeper with the money they earned from Special Snowflake's Simple Method of Just Asking, and anyone who can't master Special Snowflake's Simple Method isn't *really* a feminist, but a "victim" who revels in it and probably hates her husband for being fun and more successful.
Yeah, I don't know why women wouldn't be assertive and ask for things when the above path is not just possible, but likely. Oh, wait... #joannelipman
10/27/09
Painfully, painfully true. I think I love you. #joannelipman
10/27/09
Pogrebin's response is what I don't like. "Paradoxically, she confesses that she both 'took equality for granted' and 'looked derisively at the women’s liberation movement,' whose rebels and activists she dismisses with the hoary stereotype, 'strident, humorless, shrill women.'" - Um, there's not actually anything paradoxical about this. This is how many young women think of feminism. The lives of younger feminists are very different from those of older feminists; could we at least make some effort to understand where the other group is coming from? #joannelipman
10/27/09
What I think is important to note here is that (a) how younger women "think of feminism" may be of historical interest, but philosophically it's not really that interesting a question - if what younger women think is an inaccurate description of what older feminists themselves, then no, I don't really know that the older feminists owe younger ones a duty of understanding when they are themselves being unfairly characterized; (b) it is, in general, my experienced that even those young feminists who cling to wave terminology and generational divide tend to be among the least informed about the history of feminism. We think our arguments are new, but the movement has been having them for forty years or more, which almost anyone could figure out by, y'know, actually reading some feminism.
I'm a young-ish woman, but it chaps my ass that younger women tend to be so obviously eager, like immature teenagers, to be iconoclastic about a feminist history they obviously barely understand. #joannelipman
10/27/09
Or maybe I'm reaching because this woman sounds like me at 15. #joannelipman
10/27/09
I maintain that there's no paradox, and the misuse just kills me. #joannelipman
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"Congratulations! You're the 1,500,000th person to say that!" #joannelipman
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I think the post yesterday was much more in tune with the problematic nature of the piece. And it's a little less knee-jerk rebuttal and more of a measured analysis. I would nominate Anna to write a letter to the editor but writing letters every time the NYT published something obnoxious or ridiculous would probably be a full time job in and of itself. #joannelipman
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"Don’t pay me half of what I deserve, and don’t call me "doll" either.
The two go hand in hand and always did."
(applauds!)
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