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    Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya

    South African Olympics Official Suspended Over Semenya Case
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    11/24/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    Leonard Chuene is an asshat. The entire board of ASA (Athletics South Africa) was suspended and this morning I heard on the radio news that a new board has just been appointed.

    The athletes and several provincial athletics organisations staged a protest and demanded the resignation of the ASA board. Not a single athlete belonging to ASA wanted the board (and specifically Chuene) to remain. Chuene and his fellow board members have done so much damage over the years. Chuene acted liked ASA was his personal fiefdom.

    His treatment of Caster Semenya is disgusting beyond words. She has more smarts and dignity in her little finger than Chuene has in his entire body. I'm angry (furious!) about the way she was treated.

    I hope she knows that there are many people out there who support her and wish her everything of the best.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    I feel sad for Caster. She's been exploited to the hilt, and has been forced to deal with an extremely personal struggle in the limelight. I really do wish the best for her, and I hope to see her compete on the international level in the future.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    "This thing has given her more opportunity! Everybody knows her. The world is out there to say, ‘Your problems are our problems.' Imagine if I had not let her win!"

    Oh, you let her win? How nice of you! I was of the impression that she worked her ass off and is an incredible athlete who trained hard, and that she won all by herself. Asshole.

    It breaks my heart that she's walking away from running. I hope she still runs privately, for herself, where her only witness is the road and nobody else tries to tell her what's good enough.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    Not every culture ties gender so closely to biological sex. For American Indians, gender was aligned with one's role. Although they have recently struggled to embrace Two-Spirit people, their culture historically had a third gender, berdache (now considered a derogatory term). Thailand also has a third gender, kathoey, and consider gender to be fluid.

    Hopefully, this incident will spark some fruitful discussion. But yeah, it sucks that it had to come about this way, at Semenya's expense.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    "...If the standard turns out to be, for instance, hormone levels, and it is decided that one cannot exceed certain levels of testosterone to play in women's sports..."

    i'm confused and fascinated by this approach. wouldn't then a hormone "baseline" be established, not just for women but men also? for example suppose a man doesn't have "enough" testosterone, or has "too much" estrogen compared to the accepted baseline?

    would a woman with "too much" testosterone be allowed to compete against men? would a man with "too much" estrogen be allowed to compete against women? or would both groups wind up in some crazy limbo category where they could only compete against each other with similar non-conforming hormone levels?
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    11/23/09

    @msAnthrope: Butler does imply that if a hormone standard were applied, some men might be allowed to compete against women.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    Once again I need to ask. Had no one read, "Middlesex"?
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    11/23/09

    @mickeyitaliano: Has it ever been established whether Semenya was born intersexed (like the character in Middlesex)? Or are people just speculating at this point?
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    11/23/09

    @Kivrin: Yeah, it's been established that she was born intersex.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    I hope Butler is actively lobbying the IAFF and every other sports organization. The concept of standards for admission rather than a determination of sex is brilliant and will protect future athletes from the same pain.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    I hope Mr. Opportunity has the opportunity to read those quotes, and then I hope he feels like a gigantic schmuck for saying Semenya should be grateful for what has happened to her.
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    11/23/09

    In reply to Notes On A Scandal: The Future Of Intersexuality & Caster Semenya
    My heart breaks at those quotes from Semenya. What a horrible thing to have to deal with. I hope all these people who demanded the testing are happy now.
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    11/06/09

    In reply to South African Olympics Official Suspended Over Semenya Case
    It was obvious from the beginning, to me anyway, that ASA was the real fuck up here, not IAAF. IAAF was right to ask for an inquiry into Semenya, and ASA is the one who lied to the world (and to Semenya herself), and allowed Semenya to compete even though they knew she would be questioned.

    It's really sad that she will likely not be able to compete against women any more, but I still think it would be even MORE unfair to the other women who would have to compete against someone with exponentially more testosterone. #leonardchuenesuspended
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    11/05/09

    In reply to South African Olympics Official Suspended Over Semenya Case
    Sex testing. Sex. Not gender. Semenya's gender was never in dispute. The BBC may be correct in many things, but about this they are not. I'd love it if Jezebel could buck the misinformation trend and use the correct terminology. Surely we owe that, at the very least, to Caster Semenya. #leonardchuenesuspended
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    11/05/09

    In reply to South African Olympics Official Suspended Over Semenya Case
    I'm just glad it's not an Olympic year, and that this can pass so that (hopefully) it's not (or at least only a small) part of the discussion when she goes for gold in London. Athletes are the subject of enough scrutiny; no athlete needs this type of scrutiny. #leonardchuenesuspended
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    11/05/09

    @sportz.star: Winter Olympics are just a few months away! #leonardchuenesuspended
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    11/05/09

    In reply to South African Olympics Official Suspended Over Semenya Case
    So they're punishing the person who lied about whether or not she was actually tested. Okay. What about the person who leaked the results of that test to the media? Because I'm a little more concerned about the complete disregard for her privacy than the actual testing. #leonardchuenesuspended
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    11/05/09

    @AlmostDream: agreed. #leonardchuenesuspended
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    11/05/09

    In reply to South African Olympics Official Suspended Over Semenya Case
    'Gender verification' is a phrase that shouldn't exist. #leonardchuenesuspended
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    11/05/09

    In reply to South African Olympics Official Suspended Over Semenya Case
    Oh, so a (very late) apology, and a (*) suspension, and all's forgiven, right? The (*) is meant to indicate the probably embarassingly paltry nature of the actual suspension. Like he's probably still getting paid and all. Lame. Way to fail, people. I'd like to take Caster out for a beer and make her laugh until her belly hurts. I have a feeling she could use some of that after being dragged through such utter shit. #leonardchuenesuspended
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