The entire female body is overly eroticised and overwhelmingly used to sell something. It isn't that uncommon to see just a picture of someone's eye in an ad, but the vast majority of the time that eye is female.
People like sexy pictures and that's fine, but the labia doesn't belong on the cover of a book about legs. It belongs as a discrete cover to a porno mag.
I don't think we're going to get fewer sexualized images of women, so what I really want are more sexualized images of men. Back when we had the post about the Apatow boys photo shoot in Vanity Fair, I went back and looked at the past covers online. Every female cover was heavily sexualized, but only one male cover (Brad Pitt) was similarly sexualized. Several of the guys got sexy women as props for their covers, but they didn't have to be sexy themselves. I'm really not interested in labia, so I want some gender parity- Tina Fey in a business suit surrounded by shirtless, headless men or a wet, naked Clive Owen.
Until the twentieth century "decent" women were not allowed to show their legs in public so is it any wonder they were eroticised, the more so since they led directly to a woman's "secret parts". Nor has the female leg alone been eroticised. Men too were expected to have shapely calves. A book I read last week on Beau Brummel explained how fashionable men in the 19th century would buy stockings stuffed in such a way to give them shapely legs and Tudor and Elizabethean literature waxed lyrical over the male leg. Poor Malvolio wears yellow stockings and cross garters in the mistaken belief that it will instantly make Olivia fall madly in love with him when she swoons over his handsome legs.
Mmmmm... I was just at Good Vibrations yesterday flipping through the Big Book of Dicks. Although the title may use the word penis. I was quite enjoying it. Them.
For what it's worth, I like men's legs the way many straight men like women's legs. Not that I fetishize them, but I sure do appreciate a good set of legs on a guy. I dunno how many other gay men or straight women feel the way I do, but..
@eXXX: Hey, thanks for this, because I was about to write the same thing. I have nice legs, I think (inherited from my mother!), so men who like legs do remark on them. But I also really enjoy looking at, well, soccer players' legs, and most of all, at my boyfriend's legs when he's walking around in his underwear. They're just... strong, and nicely shaped.
The other great thing about legs as a sexy part of the body is that you don't have to be super thin to have great legs. It's really more about the shapeliness of the gams than about thinness.
But really, the question is, why shouldn't any part of the body be considered sexually appealing by someone?
@eXXX: Oh, yes, I notice legs. Something about the muscled, leaner nature of many men's legs in comparison to a woman's (difference in common areas of fat deposits and all that) is super hot to me.
@eXXX: I really like long, lean legs on a guy. I keep seeing facebook photos of my douchebag ex (we have many mutual friends) and the way he wears jeans is so hot to me for some reason. It is really embarassing, since I know he's a tool. He just has these really hot legs!
@philoclea: Soccer legs! Yes! There is something incredible about the way the shin guards and shorts frame the knee and lower thigh that gets me all atwitter.
@LAkebandit: @gangey: @philoclea: You ladies think soccer player's legs are nice (I've dated tons of them) wait until you see cyclists legs. My fiance is a cyclist and damn they are even better than soccer player's legs. HUGE muscular thighs and calves. Yum!
@eXXX: I'm in good company apparently! Heheheheheh. Yes I do love some nice legs on a man. Thighs in particular. Mmmmhmmmm. We need to make our own book.
@eXXX: You are not alone. My husband runs marathons, and so his calves and thighs are all sculpted and chiseled, and they are absolutely beautiful. I just want to bite them they look so good.
Honestly, I don't really appreciate that you can see the outline of her labia on this book cover. I just get really sick of seeing the most intimate parts of women's bodies splashed all over news stands and book shelves.
Sorry, I'm not really a prude, but it's just so fucking tiresome.
@blueberrypancake: I don't mind seeing the outline of her labia. I do mind that it has been deliberately darkened so at first glance it becomes less a book about legs and more a book about female genitalia.
@blueberrypancake: the book is a look at erotic photos, so you can expect some imagery like that, and what would you have the model do, trim her labia... newsflash women have labia!!
@thePrototype: But it is about her legs so you could easily have the photo stop at the top of her stockings. She isn't showing her breasts and women have breasts too, which most women are likely to expose more of in the every day world than our labia.
@Rare Affinity: Right, I get that, but the book in question is an erotic photography book, and I personally really enjoy this image.
@blueberrypancake: I haven't seen this book in particular, but I have seen the 'Big Book of Breasts' at Barnes and Noble, and if it weren't for it being there I wouldn't have been exposed to the series.
The whole being able to see it while browsing articles is an interesting one, because should I be forced to go into an adult bookstore to buy books with artistic nudes, or should you be forced to look away because it does not adhere to your moral standards.
ps. I am not trying to be confrontational, I honestly think it is an interesting discussion to have.
@thePrototype: I think that if it's going to be sold in a non-specialty bookstore, then oughtn't the OUTSIDE cover be expected to adhere to public exposure standards?
Once inside, you've chosen to look at it.
Again, I'm sort of playing devil's advocate here, as I'm all for vagina pride, but I can see where it could be offensive to someone who might be very open-minded but, perhaps, have a child or parent along.
@annainthebox: I was also playing Devil's Advocate of sorts, and was referring the the book above (which shows classic and erotic photos), not the industry as a whole, and I do think that this book should be shown with the spine outwards, outside of the reach of children... but by no means should it be relegated to adult books stores.
But I do not like it when people complain about labia or 'camel toe' showing through panties or swimsuits, it is naturally occurring on some women and they shouldn't be made to feel about about what they look like.
@thePrototype: I think it's one thing to not be ashamed if that shows through a swimsuit at the beach, but I also agree with blueberrypancake that the outline of the labia takes this image from "sexy" to "explicit".
Kind of like how if a magazine or something shows a close-up of the bulge in a guy's briefs. That'd be "sexy" (or some would say), but if it showed like, enough detail to see the ridge on the head of the guy's boner, that's taking it to another level, even though it's perfectly natural and normal.
@Penny: Gentlemen callers tend to like my legs and my breasts in equal measure. Sadly I have just discovered that one of my knees will need to be replaced soon so I am hoping that won't leave it too scarred.
@morninggloria: To be fair, I have some pretty hot stems (At least, me and Mr. Porcelina think so) and he stares at them, touches them. It doesn't seem creepy at all. But I think anyone who JUST is attracted to ONE body part should be dating a doll, not a real person.
@morninggloria: Agreed. At the same time, my legs (and, ahem, ass) are my best features, so I don't feel bad that Boyfriend McCarthyite appreciates them.
@Porcelina: There's nothing wrong with appreciating a good pair of legs. But here's an example of when leg appreciation is creepy:
A few weeks ago, I was wearing a skirt (business skirt) and walking down a busy street in downtown Chicago. A man stopped me and gestured for me to take off my headphones. I hoped that nothing was wrong, so I listened to him. "You have amazing legs. Can I photograph them?" No, creepo. You can't. He was wearing a suit and tie. I'm still skeeved out by it.
@NerD!!! - R.O.A.C.H.: As a non well endowed femme - quite happy I've ended up with a self described "leg man". Heels=easy; whereas fake boobs= ouch + $$
Mullins, who had her lower legs amputated as a baby, believes that children aren't naturally disturbed by bodies different from theirs, and that they learn to be disturbed from adults...
As an amputee since birth, I can attest that this is true. As a kid I was the most outgoing person ever. Yeah, I knew I looked different, but I didn't care because I had an incredible and supportive family and friends who liked me for me. People always assume that my childhood was full of ridicule and ostracism, but that couldn't be further from the truth. When I was mainstreamed in first grade, I went up before the class, talked about myself, answered a few questions, and never really had any issues my entire grade school career. Kids knew why I looked the way I do and to them it was no big deal.
Unfortunately that self-confidence didn't survive the appearance and perfection-obsessed onslaught of high school or college. Now, at 25, I long for the days of my kiddiehood, when I could just be without people being afraid, or patronizing, or feeling uncomfortable by my mere presence. Even so, I don't hide myself or my disability, and I think that that fact will make all the difference in the long run. The more people with disabilities are seen out and about living their lives, the sooner society at large will come to see us as the normal people we are and treat us accordingly. Thanks to talented and competent people like Aimee, I'm hoping that that time will come sooner rather than later.
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People like sexy pictures and that's fine, but the labia doesn't belong on the cover of a book about legs. It belongs as a discrete cover to a porno mag.
I don't think we're going to get fewer sexualized images of women, so what I really want are more sexualized images of men. Back when we had the post about the Apatow boys photo shoot in Vanity Fair, I went back and looked at the past covers online. Every female cover was heavily sexualized, but only one male cover (Brad Pitt) was similarly sexualized. Several of the guys got sexy women as props for their covers, but they didn't have to be sexy themselves. I'm really not interested in labia, so I want some gender parity- Tina Fey in a business suit surrounded by shirtless, headless men or a wet, naked Clive Owen.
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The other great thing about legs as a sexy part of the body is that you don't have to be super thin to have great legs. It's really more about the shapeliness of the gams than about thinness.
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@LAkebandit: @gangey: @philoclea: You ladies think soccer player's legs are nice (I've dated tons of them) wait until you see cyclists legs. My fiance is a cyclist and damn they are even better than soccer player's legs. HUGE muscular thighs and calves. Yum!
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But he's not wearing the fetching shin guards when he bikes, so I still prefer the soccer look!
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Sorry, I'm not really a prude, but it's just so fucking tiresome.
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@blueberrypancake: I haven't seen this book in particular, but I have seen the 'Big Book of Breasts' at Barnes and Noble, and if it weren't for it being there I wouldn't have been exposed to the series.
The whole being able to see it while browsing articles is an interesting one, because should I be forced to go into an adult bookstore to buy books with artistic nudes, or should you be forced to look away because it does not adhere to your moral standards.
ps. I am not trying to be confrontational, I honestly think it is an interesting discussion to have.
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Once inside, you've chosen to look at it.
Again, I'm sort of playing devil's advocate here, as I'm all for vagina pride, but I can see where it could be offensive to someone who might be very open-minded but, perhaps, have a child or parent along.
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But I do not like it when people complain about labia or 'camel toe' showing through panties or swimsuits, it is naturally occurring on some women and they shouldn't be made to feel about about what they look like.
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Kind of like how if a magazine or something shows a close-up of the bulge in a guy's briefs. That'd be "sexy" (or some would say), but if it showed like, enough detail to see the ridge on the head of the guy's boner, that's taking it to another level, even though it's perfectly natural and normal.
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A few weeks ago, I was wearing a skirt (business skirt) and walking down a busy street in downtown Chicago. A man stopped me and gestured for me to take off my headphones. I hoped that nothing was wrong, so I listened to him. "You have amazing legs. Can I photograph them?"
No, creepo. You can't. He was wearing a suit and tie. I'm still skeeved out by it.
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... and yet I can't stop looking at that cover.
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As an amputee since birth, I can attest that this is true. As a kid I was the most outgoing person ever. Yeah, I knew I looked different, but I didn't care because I had an incredible and supportive family and friends who liked me for me. People always assume that my childhood was full of ridicule and ostracism, but that couldn't be further from the truth. When I was mainstreamed in first grade, I went up before the class, talked about myself, answered a few questions, and never really had any issues my entire grade school career. Kids knew why I looked the way I do and to them it was no big deal.
Unfortunately that self-confidence didn't survive the appearance and perfection-obsessed onslaught of high school or college. Now, at 25, I long for the days of my kiddiehood, when I could just be without people being afraid, or patronizing, or feeling uncomfortable by my mere presence. Even so, I don't hide myself or my disability, and I think that that fact will make all the difference in the long run. The more people with disabilities are seen out and about living their lives, the sooner society at large will come to see us as the normal people we are and treat us accordingly. Thanks to talented and competent people like Aimee, I'm hoping that that time will come sooner rather than later.
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