I can see where the criticism on Oprah is coming from, but I have to think that all the riches in the world can not take away the suffering she once went through as a young girl. She was sexually assaulted, pregnant and poor before age 16. I believe her quote is really expressing her own issues, that she now looks past the people that she once was, and thats a hard realization some times.
Not trying to deviate from the topic of the thread (but I may be) nor pull a "reverse-racism" argument, but there are white people that experience poverty too...it's irritating to read comments and criticisms that are essentially attempting to justify reactions to the movie that are based solely on the racial identity of the viewer. Obviously one can't realistically compare being black and impoverished and white and impoverished, but it makes me irate that it is being suggested that this movie is just beyond comprehension for white people. Apparently all white people come from functional, 2 parent households, in wealthy suburbs. Also, Oprah does a shit load of good with her fortune.... I'm not an Oprah-phile, but I feel like no matter what she says, it's cynically received, what is the right thing for her to say in regards to this movie? (*Occasionally the cynicism deserved.)
I found Milloy's review jarring and almost incoherent. My underlying thought was that he was embarrassed and angered in some way. Perhaps that the highest-profile movie about African Americans this year was one full of dysfunction.
But, isn't that why people are saying this movie is refreshing---it is giving a voice to the abused who rarely get any attention? How many Gaby Sidibes have been on screen lately, or ever?
So those who are upset that it doesn't represent the typical African American experience, isn't that kind of the point? Why do all of our films have to show only the best and brightest of our culture, why not share some time with real humanity and open up the worldview a bit?
@Slickanicka: I have similar thoughts. I am having a very hard time thinking of movies that focused on the experiences of a poor, illiterate, abused teenage girl (of ANY race - let alone one who looks like Gaby Sidibe) because it is a story that so often goes untold. Yet we finally get one, and the criticism of it is unending.
It's not that I think the movie should be above reproach simply because of its subject matter, but I think that people are getting so caught up in their critiques that they are forgetting just how monumental this movie truly is.
Or maybe it's because this movie is so unlike much of what is out there that it's getting so much criticism, like it's the one chance to tell the story in a national way, and so it better be done perfectly? I don't know. All I know is that the venom puzzles me.
"I really wanted to show a young woman who changes her life without falling in love and without getting married," Sapphire told me, "and without plastic surgery or a physical change."
YES! I loathe movies where the female character's life changes for the better/improves mainly because she falls in love, gets married, loses weight, transforms into a beautiful swan. Basically these women have conformed to some societal ideal (be it beauty/relationship standards) and now they deserve to be happy.
In terms of our pop culture (music, books, songs), I'd have to think have to think hard to come up with these kinds of example. I really love this message.
I used to represent abused and neglected children in Chicago as a guardian ad litem. Many of the young women I represented were sexually abused. It always broke my heart when they were named Precious or Princess or Unique, because it was clear that their name was the only indication they'd ever gotten that they were any of those things.
Unlike Precious, most of the girls I represented had nobody to mentor them or to encourage their talents.
I don't know what causes Oprah donates to (except the school in Africa), but I wish that in addition to spending money to finance a film about a poverty-stricken, abused young woman, that she'd donate some money to Chicago programs that provide mentors to young women like Precious. (If she doesn't already.)
I find it heartbreaking that she speaks of passing struggling young women while riding in her limo, in her own city, and yet she sinks money into a film about one such girl who overcame her circumstances with the help of mentors... without providing funding for programs to provide mentors to the girls she actually sees. Because I will tell you, my former fifteen year old client who was pregnant by a man in his late thirties who also gave her syphillis did NOT have a social worker or teacher who cared enough to guide her "to take concrete steps and work on her deficiencies and move her life forward."
That said - Oprah can't save the world. But come on, Oprah. Film and other arts are important in raising awareness, but a program targeted to her own city would be more likely to inspire volunteerism and than to cause white America to gawk at black poverty.
Fucking Oprah. She sees such women when she "rides by in her limo." Unbelievable.
Oprah, do you remember carting out a wheelbarrow full of fat to show how wonderful you were after weight loss and how contemptible you were before it? Why don't you address that instead of reminding us all how rich and perceptive you are?
Only tangentially related, but I had a dream last night that I became friends with Gaby Sidibe and we went to this awesome park and ate popsicles (it was summertime) and hung out all day together. She was delightful, and I was sorry to wake up.
I doubt Precious will come to any theaters less than two hours from me, because where I live sucks. But I'm really torn about seeing it, regardless. I just don't know if I can put myself through that. I feel like it's something I ought to do as a self-improvement exercise (I haven't been made to feel that way, I just do) kind of like An Inconvenient Truth. Which I haven't seen yet either, which I feel like makes me a Bad Liberal.
I disagree on a fundamental level with the Washington Post review but I understand how he got to that position.
It does bother me that people that, to date, haven't given a shit about girls like Precious SUDDENLY are so sympathetic to their plight. People who have never volunteered, people who have argued against their taxes going to welfare, people who are against a public option for health care, people who argue a difference between rape and "rape-rape", people who make fun of the obese are suddenly appalled by the situation Precious is in. Fuck you, you are a part of the problem. You helped create this rape culture that makes it difficult for women to speak out. You don't want women like Precious to have access to good health care. You don't get to protest the building of a half-way house in your neighborhood and then claim to be moved by Precious' plight.
I think that a lot of people of all races are using their movie ticket as a badge to prove they care, and that is bullshit, but it's a problem with the viewers, not the film.
@Vivelafat says Sweep the leg, Johnny.: You are very right and the sad thing is after awards season these same young girls/women will be ignored again.
@dcetstyle: It really pisses me off. Going to see the film is not a bragging right. You see it because you want to, not because you are so progressive.
I take offense to the notion that white people would see a film about a black person suffering and somehow feel better about themselves. Yes, there are a lot of non-black people who are not familiar with the plight of the urban community. A movie like this might be eye-opening for them and inspire empathy for people faced with situations they did not know existed. This is true no matter what the color of your skin. Courtland Milloy's statement in the first quote is belittling and insulting and in its assumptions.
@LatoyaPeterson are you planning to do a review on Blindside? The story is about this young man mistreated and just going through the system which is then rescued. The outcome some people might say is a lot happier.I saw both and some people are so excited to see Blindside and when I mention Precious they tell me how they don't want to see such a depressing movie. I think they are both depressing and both main characters are rescued. I guess it is a lot more fun to see a movie about football than see rape.
@Sodypop: Oh man, I saw the Blindside trailer in the theaters and my husband and I were howling. It looks *so* terrible to me. Erin Brockavich-style wealthy white woman picks up a poor black man *on the side of the road* and brings him back to her cookie-cutter McMansion and *saves him.* It may be based on a true story but the whole thing seemed absolutely contrived to get privileged, doughy white people into the theater to feel uplifted. Not since Radio, have I been so annoyed.
I had mixed feelings about this movie before I saw it, and now that I have seen it...I still have mixed feelings.
I think you hit the nail on the head, Latoya in concluding that the viewer's life experiences will determine what he or she takes away from this film. That is exactly my concern.
I have been trying to pinpoint why the popularity of the film among white audiences and critics makes me uncomfortable. I do not believe that people of color should police their art to ensure that the only images are positive. At the same time, I am aware that many white viewers WILL see this film as a depiction of the typical black urban experience – and, to the extent that they do leave theaters with this misconception, I share Milloy’s fear that the film promotes an image of black pathology for white consumption.
At the same time, the film tells a story in a way that is respectful and empowering to its main character; Precious is not exploited here. So how do you think about a movie that can say so many different things to different people?
PS - Reading all your thoughtful commentary here and over on Racialicious has really helped me hash out how I feel about the movie. Thanks Latoya!
I think that all of the controversy surrounding this film boils down to the limited representation of Black stories in the film world today. Because there is such a lack of movies that tell the stories of Black people (particularly Black girls) people have to treat Precious as The Defining Black Girl Story. So then people are offended that The Defining Black Girl Story is one of poverty and abuse. Or they are put off because it's not as realistic about the poverty and abuse that some Black Girls face. If it was a different story about a middle class Black girl with loving parents, people might complain that it is dishonest about the poverty and abuse that some Black girls face. I think the lesson is that we need more stories, because one movie cannot possibly represent everyone's experience and we should stop expecting it to do so.
@SarsDoesntSave: Thanks. You raise a good point in your post above too. Even if there was wider representation of Black girls' stories in film, would they all appeal to White audiences as much as this one? In other words, if Precious was about that middle class girl in the suburbs with two loving parents, would White people still want to see it? I think that is very valid question that probably has a very troubling answer.
@Benevolent_Dictatrix (patently absurd): I think you have a good point...and it makes me realize that much of my distress actually has less to do with the film and more to do with what the reaction to the film says about our culture.
(I have not seen the movie or read the book so take this with a grain of salt) I can def. see Sadaa's point but isn't it better to shine some light into this little talked about area of society, so long as it doesn't do more harm than good (ie. perpetuate harmful stereotypes or make people into cartoons)? I also have seen (although am FAR from an expert on) how poorer people, particularly women, particularly women of color are sort of lost at sea and no one will throw them a life saver. or if the do its a super shitty one that will barely keep them afloat. But I still think we have to start somewhere, because for the most part these stories just go untold period.
"There are many abused young women stuck in the hidden crevices of urban American life, and they need what Precious gets if they are to have a chance to turn their lives around."
THIS. I work with rape/incest suvivors (and sadly often ongoing victims), and so often when I tell my non-counseling peers about the girls' circumstances, I'm met with disbelief.
America can barely conceive of rape survivors existing when the survivors are white, middle-class, and college-educated. I try to hammer it home that a story like Precious' isn't a gruesome hypothetical, it's a real life story for a number of women. Law enforcement personnel have told me they'd rather work homicide than sexual crimes, because a homicide conviction brings closure but there is little to offer the survivor of sexual abuse once the trial is over.
If nothing else, maybe Precious will make some incest/sexual abuse survivors feel less alone and make some social services more aware of incest survivors.
@SocialAnimal: This is what I'm always pointing out when people argue that books with sexual abuse and assault aren't appropriate for preteens. People don't even imagine that a large number of girls are living those stories every day.
I'm not sure I'd have a 6th-or-7th grade class reading Precious, necessarily. It could be pretty upsetting for a young survivor to have the story plopped on her desk in class. A decent amount of the survivors I've worked with seem to oscillate between feeling desperately isolated and feeling almost paranoid that everyone around them knows about their experiences.
For the library and upperclass high school (like 16+) students, definitely, the book is appropriate. All colleges should mandate that freshmen read and reflect on a book about sexual assault/abuse.
@SocialAnimal: Such good points. I went through some shit when I was younger - not nearly as bad as some, but enough to make jaws drop - and there is such silence out there surrounding the aftermath of sexual assault. Anything that cuts through the silence, even if it is a single whisper, is a good thing.
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But, isn't that why people are saying this movie is refreshing---it is giving a voice to the abused who rarely get any attention? How many Gaby Sidibes have been on screen lately, or ever?
So those who are upset that it doesn't represent the typical African American experience, isn't that kind of the point? Why do all of our films have to show only the best and brightest of our culture, why not share some time with real humanity and open up the worldview a bit?
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It's not that I think the movie should be above reproach simply because of its subject matter, but I think that people are getting so caught up in their critiques that they are forgetting just how monumental this movie truly is.
Or maybe it's because this movie is so unlike much of what is out there that it's getting so much criticism, like it's the one chance to tell the story in a national way, and so it better be done perfectly? I don't know. All I know is that the venom puzzles me.
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YES! I loathe movies where the female character's life changes for the better/improves mainly because she falls in love, gets married, loses weight, transforms into a beautiful swan. Basically these women have conformed to some societal ideal (be it beauty/relationship standards) and now they deserve to be happy.
In terms of our pop culture (music, books, songs), I'd have to think have to think hard to come up with these kinds of example. I really love this message.
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Unlike Precious, most of the girls I represented had nobody to mentor them or to encourage their talents.
I don't know what causes Oprah donates to (except the school in Africa), but I wish that in addition to spending money to finance a film about a poverty-stricken, abused young woman, that she'd donate some money to Chicago programs that provide mentors to young women like Precious. (If she doesn't already.)
I find it heartbreaking that she speaks of passing struggling young women while riding in her limo, in her own city, and yet she sinks money into a film about one such girl who overcame her circumstances with the help of mentors... without providing funding for programs to provide mentors to the girls she actually sees. Because I will tell you, my former fifteen year old client who was pregnant by a man in his late thirties who also gave her syphillis did NOT have a social worker or teacher who cared enough to guide her "to take concrete steps and work on her deficiencies and move her life forward."
That said - Oprah can't save the world. But come on, Oprah. Film and other arts are important in raising awareness, but a program targeted to her own city would be more likely to inspire volunteerism and than to cause white America to gawk at black poverty.
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Oprah, do you remember carting out a wheelbarrow full of fat to show how wonderful you were after weight loss and how contemptible you were before it? Why don't you address that instead of reminding us all how rich and perceptive you are?
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I doubt Precious will come to any theaters less than two hours from me, because where I live sucks. But I'm really torn about seeing it, regardless. I just don't know if I can put myself through that. I feel like it's something I ought to do as a self-improvement exercise (I haven't been made to feel that way, I just do) kind of like An Inconvenient Truth. Which I haven't seen yet either, which I feel like makes me a Bad Liberal.
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It does bother me that people that, to date, haven't given a shit about girls like Precious SUDDENLY are so sympathetic to their plight. People who have never volunteered, people who have argued against their taxes going to welfare, people who are against a public option for health care, people who argue a difference between rape and "rape-rape", people who make fun of the obese are suddenly appalled by the situation Precious is in. Fuck you, you are a part of the problem. You helped create this rape culture that makes it difficult for women to speak out. You don't want women like Precious to have access to good health care. You don't get to protest the building of a half-way house in your neighborhood and then claim to be moved by Precious' plight.
I think that a lot of people of all races are using their movie ticket as a badge to prove they care, and that is bullshit, but it's a problem with the viewers, not the film.
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And for the record, I am not white.
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I think you hit the nail on the head, Latoya in concluding that the viewer's life experiences will determine what he or she takes away from this film. That is exactly my concern.
I have been trying to pinpoint why the popularity of the film among white audiences and critics makes me uncomfortable. I do not believe that people of color should police their art to ensure that the only images are positive. At the same time, I am aware that many white viewers WILL see this film as a depiction of the typical black urban experience – and, to the extent that they do leave theaters with this misconception, I share Milloy’s fear that the film promotes an image of black pathology for white consumption.
At the same time, the film tells a story in a way that is respectful and empowering to its main character; Precious is not exploited here. So how do you think about a movie that can say so many different things to different people?
PS - Reading all your thoughtful commentary here and over on Racialicious has really helped me hash out how I feel about the movie. Thanks Latoya!
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THIS. I work with rape/incest suvivors (and sadly often ongoing victims), and so often when I tell my non-counseling peers about the girls' circumstances, I'm met with disbelief.
America can barely conceive of rape survivors existing when the survivors are white, middle-class, and college-educated. I try to hammer it home that a story like Precious' isn't a gruesome hypothetical, it's a real life story for a number of women. Law enforcement personnel have told me they'd rather work homicide than sexual crimes, because a homicide conviction brings closure but there is little to offer the survivor of sexual abuse once the trial is over.
If nothing else, maybe Precious will make some incest/sexual abuse survivors feel less alone and make some social services more aware of incest survivors.
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I'm not sure I'd have a 6th-or-7th grade class reading Precious, necessarily. It could be pretty upsetting for a young survivor to have the story plopped on her desk in class. A decent amount of the survivors I've worked with seem to oscillate between feeling desperately isolated and feeling almost paranoid that everyone around them knows about their experiences.
For the library and upperclass high school (like 16+) students, definitely, the book is appropriate. All colleges should mandate that freshmen read and reflect on a book about sexual assault/abuse.
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