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07/23/09
Assuming that all men would be sleazy creeps in a lesbian club is kind of like assuming that all women are sluts who just want it. I don't like this at all.
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That this has to be spelled out is disturbing.
Has Ms Price that choice is a fundamental aspect of democracy? The Pinkalicious pussy posse isn't trying to institutionalize segregation; just choosing their audience, according to terms for the best possible outcome.
07/22/09
*headthumps Sue Price*
07/22/09
I completely understand what these ladies are talking about. I am quite feminine. I'm a girly queer, hence the name. I am also totally lipstick, and love feminine girls. I cannot TELL you the number of times I've been out with a girl and men have skeezed us out, made comments, stared, asked us for threesomes, and all manner of incredibly fratboy behavior. In most men's worlds, lesbians are either pretending to be men, or some sort of coquette that really wants to go home with them, and is just teasing him by kissing girls. It's disturbing. And it can ruin your night.
It's sad that they even had to ban men, but in my experience, they are probably right.
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Nausea.
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Some dudes just. don't. get. lesbianism at all.
Or they just deny it by deeming it a "phase" that only their extra special dick can cure. Barf.
07/22/09
The problem is that in Melbourne there are several prominent men's clubs that cater for the powerful business elite. The attorney-general wants these clubs open to women because they are discriminatory for the sake of being discriminatory, to keep men at the top of the power structure to the exclusion of women. In the past they have refused to grant membership to Jews as well so they have a long track record of discrimination. These clubs go against the egalitarianism and 'fair go' mentality that Australia likes to pride itself on.
However, this is what is upsetting all the poor widdle heterosexual white males about this decision. They're being told they can't discriminate to keep all the power to themselves, so they can't understand why others can discriminate to keep themselves safe. Their poor little brains simply can't cope with complexities that don't involve them having all the say and all the power.
07/22/09
As a (now ex) Melburnian (current Brisvageian?!), you got hearted for that comment my friend.
For any of you interested in the male-only pompous clubs in Australia, check out The Chaser's skit on getting the GG into the club (a rule of the male-only Melbourne Club is that the GG automatically gains membership. They won't let our current GG in however as she is a woman.)
This link provides response to the skit:
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,28383,25554617-10229,00.html
Original skit link here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgBPuV6eEHE
I for one, LOVE that the GG ordered a copy of the skit for the GG archives!
07/22/09
I do have to say that I have hung out at gay and lesbian bars and clubs and have basically been respectful and didn't attempt to hook up with a lesbian or whatever. I just hung out with my friends and enjoyed the music videos or L word episodes playing in the background. It makes me sad that people can't adhere to a modicum of respect.
Some people need more home training or something. Sigh.
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That said, I'd almost rather that all businesses were open to anyone regardless of gender or sexuality, and the clubs used bouncers to enforce good behavior/manners. I respect the need for the double-standard here, but will hope for the day when it is unnecessary.
07/22/09
Getting unwanted sexual advances made me realize how crazy it can be for women. I mean, yes, it's odd that some random guy basically just grabbed me, but for women it's basically the default "bad behavior." I found myself viewing the straight dive bars and clubs really differently afterward.
99 percent of the time, however, I was treated with respect and had fun. If anything, going to gay and lesbian clubs made me more respectful.
07/22/09
"People of America! If you go to a gay bar, you cannot be offended when someone of the same sex hits on you!"
I was at this gay bar once, and tried to buy a drink for this really cute girl. She looked at me with disgust, and said "I'm straight. I came here to hang out with gay GUYS."
So, this is the angle I'm coming from. Life is hard enough without having to go "She's here, but is she queer?"
07/22/09
Also, I hate what her remark implies. Like, gay guys are so cutesy friendsies and look they like pink too heheheheeee but chicks who like chicks? EEEEWWW. I mean, what shit double standard is that?
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I wouldn't have cared if she just told me she was straight, hell, I probably still would have bought her the drink and let her be. I just thought she didn't have a lot of room to be that upset about it.
07/22/09
And that girl is an absolute asshole. I swear, people, I need to open a school on manners. Watch out crackerjacks.
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"People of America! If you go to a gay bar, you cannot be offended when someone of the same sex hits on you!"
Hit on, sure. Paw, follow around all night, refuse to take no for an answer, refuse to take "I like guys, thanks" as an answer and manhandle me to the point where I have matching arm bruises the next day, not so much. I am polite about announcing my straightness in such situations, but IME the boys have not cornered the market on boorishness when hitting on someone.
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I went through a hard time with some of my good friends who dropped me after they came out. It wasn't because I didn't support and love them because I did and still do.
I agree being rude is wrong. But when my good friend invited me out, I try to be a good friend, which includes as a default being a good person (which includes at the bare minimum not being that asshole oogling lesbians or flipping out when someone offers to buy me drink). I would like to think if we were friends outside of Jez, you might trust me to be your friend and not an asshole. I think that's what I was trying to say. Being a jerk is wrong. But it breaks my heart that the jerks are representing all of the good people out there. I don't know if that makes sense, but it's the only thing I can do...
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That said, the way you were treated was beyond rude.
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When you're living under the constant Chinese water torture of heteronormativity, you need a place where you can just *breathe*. Where you don't have to watch your back and think about the mainstream. Where you ARE the mainstream. Where, if you're a freak, at least that other cute freak across the room accepts and promotes your mutual freakiness.
BTW, thanks for promoting me, unnamed masked starred commenter.
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I agree that it's not special treatment -- it's a safety issue.
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I've run into slight hostility once at a gay club; my friend and I were the only girls there. I chalked that up to the fact that it was in West Hollywood and they were all bitches, though.
Someone brought up the issue of bachelorette parties at gay clubs a few days ago, and I think this simply takes it even further, as these men are actively trying to have sex with these women.
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CHEESE.
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