I watched a documentary on MSNBC last week about sex trafficking in the U.S. and how the internet has made it so much easier for pimps to do their jobs. Craig's List came up a number of times and at the end of the program, there was a note that said something like "Craig's List has agreed to donate a portion of its proceeds from erotic services listings to charities that work to stop child sex trafficking." WTF?!?!? How about you stop allowing the listings to begin with!?! The whole thing made me sick to my stomach and really made me think differently about that site and the people who run it.
@cdjill: While I think trafficking is awful, the victim in this crime was not trafficked, nor are other people who post on CL. I know it might be difficult to separate the concept of those who choose to do sex work and those who are sex slaves (especially with the way media keeps confusing the two), but I don't think punishing sex workers who aren't trafficked by taking away their advertising space is really helping.
Wasn't there recently another murder off of CL? Only that guy was targeting a furniture buyer. Are we going to ban the selling of furniture as well? Or is it just the people selling sex that are asking to be brutally murdered?
What's messed about this is that the women advertising on craigslist are already the most vulnerable contingent of independent sex workers, and eliminating erotic services just makes them more so.
Advertising on craiglist carries a lot of stigma from other workers. No one is proud of it, and most women would choose other venues could they afford them or have access to them or if they knew about them.
Significant numbers of women are able to avoid street work or going through low-end agencies by placing their own ads on craigslist. Advertising through craigslist is not the ideal, but it's a lot safer than street work and allows more control on the woman's part than a crummy agency would.
It's not like craigslist, a business, has any kind of real responsibility to give these women a place to advertise, but the idea that eliminating erotic services makes the women who'd been advertising there safer is BS. It will have absolutely the opposite effect because while some of the women will migrate to Eros guide, or backpage, some will just go back on the street, or hook up with exploitative agencies.
Particularly when young,upper middle class kids do something gruesome, a scapegoat is searched for before a motive:
This is the fault of craigslist erotic services listings, a kid beats his mom to death after an argument about his grades because she shouldn't have put so much pressure on him, and Columbine was Marilyn Manson's fault.
As long as there is an Internet, people are going to find ways to use it to have sex with people. People like having sex, and the Internet can help you meet people. Grown-ass adults can have all the Craigslist sex they want to. I don't see this as being a problem, or even necessarily relevant.
No, the problem, and the relevant bit, is that some asshole decided to kill people. Assholes have been doing this long before there were Internets. Removing one part of the site is just going to piss off a whole bunch of innocent, legit people. It's not going to stop the real assholes.
Is the takeaway here that arranging a meeting with a stranger you met online is mostly or only dangerous when it's under the auspices of "erotic services"? As if robbery and violence can't happen under any circumstances.
@BellaNotte: Or offline, for that matter. If you're meeting a stranger period -- not just from the internet -- there are, of course, risks. I don't understand why "Erotic Services" is under such scrutiny yet we aren't trying to protect say, escorts etc.
@Jackiewsu: It already does...casual encounters and misc. are filled with lots of very subtle ads that often go unnoticed for those not familiar with the terminology
If "erotic services" listings are banned on Craigslist, what am I supposed to read to skeeve myself out and therefore make myself better about how little I choose to interact with others?
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Advertising on craiglist carries a lot of stigma from other workers. No one is proud of it, and most women would choose other venues could they afford them or have access to them or if they knew about them.
Significant numbers of women are able to avoid street work or going through low-end agencies by placing their own ads on craigslist. Advertising through craigslist is not the ideal, but it's a lot safer than street work and allows more control on the woman's part than a crummy agency would.
It's not like craigslist, a business, has any kind of real responsibility to give these women a place to advertise, but the idea that eliminating erotic services makes the women who'd been advertising there safer is BS. It will have absolutely the opposite effect because while some of the women will migrate to Eros guide, or backpage, some will just go back on the street, or hook up with exploitative agencies.
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This is the fault of craigslist erotic services listings, a kid beats his mom to death after an argument about his grades because she shouldn't have put so much pressure on him, and Columbine was Marilyn Manson's fault.
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No, the problem, and the relevant bit, is that some asshole decided to kill people. Assholes have been doing this long before there were Internets. Removing one part of the site is just going to piss off a whole bunch of innocent, legit people. It's not going to stop the real assholes.
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Now, what else can we ban....
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guess i just have to go back my standby: republicans.
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