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That_little_attention_whore
01/15/09

In reply to Radio Host Laura Ingraham Tries, Fails To Rattle Virgin Natalie Dylan
Random question - someone private message me on this cuz I can't check Jez @ work, but is this legal?

I mean, openly selling sex over e-Bay or whatever? Does she live in Nevada? Am I missing something?
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jinxykb
01/15/09

In reply to Radio Host Laura Ingraham Tries, Fails To Rattle Virgin Natalie Dylan
I listened to the first half of the interview (before Bruce calls in) and I thought that Laura Ingram was slightly condescending, but overall--pretty nice to her. Do things take a drastic turn after the break?

On another note, I wonder how the the male-female dynamic would change if it were against the law for men NOT to pay women for sex? Because this 'women who have lots of sex are whores and men who have lots of sex are studs' thing simply is not working.
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J.D.Regent
01/15/09

@jinxykb: I don't think it should be against the law to have sex for free but I definitely feel that having it be illegal to charge money for sex is a form of slavery.
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AuntieBee
01/15/09

In reply to Radio Host Laura Ingraham Tries, Fails To Rattle Virgin Natalie Dylan
Is it just me, or is it kind of ridiculous thing to ask: you don't think God helped create the human form and that God has a special plan for you?

It sounds as if s Ingraham honestly thinks EVERYONE believes the same things she does. Or did Natalie Dylan come right out and say she is a devout Christian?
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kellyhelene
01/15/09

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I really wonder what dinnertime conversation was like when Ingraham dated Keith Olbermann.
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ellaesther
01/15/09

@kellyhelene: Oh God I forgot about that! Yikes! I'll bet there was a lot of hot make-up sex -- a LOT.
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ellaesther
01/15/09

In reply to Radio Host Laura Ingraham Tries, Fails To Rattle Virgin Natalie Dylan
Ok, I have a question for y'all.

This community has been talking a lot about whether or not this is "empowering" (most of us falling on the "uh, no" side) since it came up -- likewise with all manner of conversations about how women deal with their sexuality.

But, if money is power (and $3.7 million, or the 50% of that that she keeps, is a hell of a lot of money), then why is this not "empowering" for her?

I agree that it isn't, but I'm foggy on why. And I think I'm not thinking about her in a vaccum, but rather her-as-a-woman, part of a continuum of women and our needs. Like, it might give her some power, but as this deal further entrenches notions about women and property, it dis-empowers (makin' up words!) women in general and thus, ultimately, her too.

OR: Maybe, just maybe, by seeing a woman treat her virginity as NOT precious, is this a wee bit subversive of the conventional discourse about women and sex? (Apologies to the commenter who just yesterday asked with some justification that the world retire the term).

But as you can see, I'm not being very articulate here.
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TurtleSpeak
01/15/09

@ellaesther: Well her virginity IS precious to her- $3.7 million worth of precious.

It's perhaps more subversive to eradicate the notion of virginity altogether, not to capitalize on it's inflated importance (for women exclusively).
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J.D.Regent
01/15/09

@ellaesther: I actually don't agree that it is disempowering. I think it is exactly as empowering as 3.7 million is. I don't think it makes women like property any more than any other kind of worker. And guess what? Last time I checked, property is pretty fucking sacred and honored in a capitalist society. I think you make great points.
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EkaterinaBallerina
01/15/09

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What Natalie Dylan wants to do with her body is her choice. I might not agree with it, but I'm not going to throw the morality police into the mix and tell her what to do with her damn body. And what's with the double standard? Why are we so focused on female virginity? I mean I wouldn't pay a penny to deflower a guy, but the focus on female virginity and female purity is so ancient and archaic.

That being said if it came between me selling my virginity on my own terms and my father holding on to it for me with a purity ring and a promise, I'll take the cash any day. A father holding on to his daughter's purity like she's a possession and not a human being is far more disgusting and creepy to me.
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SarahMC
01/15/09

In reply to Radio Host Laura Ingraham Tries, Fails To Rattle Virgin Natalie Dylan
Also interesting: The notion that it's OK to make decisions about your body with an eternal reward in mind, but not an earthly one.
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J.D.Regent
01/15/09

@SarahMC: tell that to Dennis Prager. He thinks we should do it for our husband's paycheck. Nope, no commodification there.
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missheidilynn
01/15/09

In reply to Radio Host Laura Ingraham Tries, Fails To Rattle Virgin Natalie Dylan
I guess what gets me about this is that I don't really see it as empowering to women. I think it just goes back to the idea that the only way a woman can be empowered is through sex, and that idea has not really helped us out that much, considering all the ways ads and televison portray women. If she wants to auction off her virginity thats totaly cool with me, 100% her choice. But I just think there are other ways to empower woman that don't have to do with our vaginas!
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TurtleSpeak
01/15/09

@missheidilynn: I agree. Buying into and exploiting patriarchal ideas of female value for cash != subverting these ideas. I'm sure the man who's buying her virginity doesn't care one bit about the social implications of what she's doing (if there are any).
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SarahMC
01/15/09

@missheidilynn: I don't think it's empowering either. You don't have to in order to be offended by Ingraham and how she treated Dylan.
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bibliophage
01/15/09

In reply to Radio Host Laura Ingraham Tries, Fails To Rattle Virgin Natalie Dylan
What about the pornification of talk radio? Does Laura Ingraham have anything to say about that?

I find her exploitation of something sacred, i.e. the public discourse, which she tarts up for cheap thrills, pretty f*ing offensive.
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IamnotStarJones
01/15/09

@bibliophage: what makes me laugh about laura ingraham is that she worries so much about Natalie's imaginary daughter being ashamed but won't apply the same standard to bush's daughters who should be ashamed for having a father who left the country in such shambles.

Blatant incompetence and lying is okay for parents to show their kids but sexual capitalism is the worst thing ever!
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boxspelunker
01/15/09

@IamnotStarJones: Also, her sons would be proud, right? Only ladies are shamefilled with sex.
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Trashtastic
01/15/09

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Sex workers - Making self-righteous "conservative" assholes eat crow since the late 1970's.
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citrus buddha
01/15/09

In reply to Radio Host Laura Ingraham Tries, Fails To Rattle Virgin Natalie Dylan
Doesn't doing this just serve to further fetishize virginity in mainstream society? I just...I don't see the benefit of doing this. Other than to her bank account. Of which I am jealous of.
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info*ninja
01/15/09

@citrus_buddha: That is why i call bull shit on her saying it is a comment on this-unless she flips the script somehow...
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TurtleSpeak
01/15/09

@citrus_buddha: Yes.
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SarahMC
01/15/09

In reply to Radio Host Laura Ingraham Tries, Fails To Rattle Virgin Natalie Dylan
Also noteworthy is the predictable fact that none of the men making bids were shamed. Only the woman.
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TurtleSpeak
01/15/09

@SarahMC: Men are hardwired to seek sex with conventionally attractive young women no matter what the price. It's biological. Boys will be boys. Women are the desire objects! Sex sells. Etc etc etc.
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info*ninja
01/15/09

@SarahMC: @TurtleSpeak: A new bingo card?
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ellaesther
01/15/09

@SarahMC: You make an excellent point which I am embarrassed to say hadn't yet crossed my mind. Sigh. I once wrote a commentary about teen pregnancy and included the thought that, um, hey, let's get the boys involved in this conversation, too! Like, we all have opinions about Jamie Lynn Spears, but quick: Who can remember the father's name? (I know, a bunch of the women at this site probably can. I was making a point!)

I think this @TurtleSpeak: is probably a big part of why.
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JinxyMcDeath
01/15/09

In reply to Radio Host Laura Ingraham Tries, Fails To Rattle Virgin Natalie Dylan
PWNED by a call-in myspace friend? Awesome. And humiliating. But deeply, truly awesome.

Look, if you can give it for free you can charge for it. I don't give a fuck. Neither should Laura. When people start MINDING THEIR OWN BUSINESS and deal with issues that directly affect them, we might actually start digging ourselves out of this shithole.
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labeled
01/15/09

In reply to Radio Host Laura Ingraham Tries, Fails To Rattle Virgin Natalie Dylan
Vaginas, bringing security since the beginning of time.

*disclaimer: May cause unwanted attention, occasional itching and burning, and monthly stabbiness
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ellaesther
01/15/09

@labeled: ... and may further cause the appearance of alien lifeforms in need of constant feeding and permission-slip signing.
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labeled
01/15/09

@ellaesther: Word.
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TurtleSpeak
01/15/09

In reply to Radio Host Laura Ingraham Tries, Fails To Rattle Virgin Natalie Dylan
Question: Would any woman pay millions of dollars to have sex with a virgin?

Probably not. No benefits there. What is the benfit of having sex with a lady virgin? Is it because unplundered ladyholes are supposedly tight?
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AuntieBee
01/15/09

@TurtleSpeak: Ha, NO, I certainly would not. I've always thought that bit was weird, too. Hey, menz, virgins are not particularly good in bed. Just so you know.
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