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Kristi Burton Is Not Exactly Beloved By The Anti-Abortion Movement

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I'm Chuck Bass
11/03/08

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Colorado up in the hizzouse! I voted "no" on this, of course, but if it passes and I happen to get knocked up, I can't wait to get a tax deduction for my dependent zygote.
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sportz.star
11/03/08

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I currently live in and therefore vote in Colorado. I knew about this, but didn't expect the violent reaction I had to reading it and wanting to VOTE NO 400 times. Seriously. NO!!!!!

PS: The "Yes on 48" ads in CO ask you to vote yes because the other side is funded by such radical organziations as Planned Parenthood and NOW. That's their argument. That and "all life is sacred" (footnote: CO strongly supports capital punishment).
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Noah D
11/03/08

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I'd use "law student" with a grain of salt, since, according to NPR, she is studying at an "online Christian law school."
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TheFormerJuneBronson
11/03/08

@Noah D: In some states, even that inadequate an education would qualify her to sit for the bar exam. It's dangerous to dismiss her on that basis.
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scullymurphy
11/03/08

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Also this is a very strong indictment against the initiative/proposition process that exists in CO and CA. Any nutjob with an axe to grind, half a degree from an online Christian law school, and 76,000 signatures can get an initiative on the ballot, for chrissakes. It's fucking frightening. Hello Prop 8 in CA too.
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linnyt is a walking cliché
11/03/08

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dear colorado,

we're done if this passes.

linnyt
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braak: You are, as usual, completely correct.
11/03/08

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Also, doesn't this mean we'd have to extend citizenship to anyone conceived in the United States?

This is going to make the jobs of border guards extremely awkward.
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Lirael
11/03/08

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I really wish people would take a bio class and see what a fertilized egg looks like. Its basically just a couple of cells no different than say skin cells. Should my skin cells have legal rights? I understand that everyone has their own ideas of when we become people in the uterus but I can just never understand how people view the beginning cell division of fertilization as a person. There are no vital organs developed. There is no nervous system so the cells are not feeling any pain. I just do not understand. It literally is no different at that point from any other cell in my body except for the fact that it is dividing and multiplying.

Geez, I wish people would stop crawling in uteruses and dictating what happens to my eggs. Leave my uterus and birth control alone already!
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SarahMC
11/03/08

@Lirael: I completely agree with you and don't even care about unborn creatures that DO resemble babies. But their defense is that it's wrong to discriminate against "people" because of how they look - probably even invoking slavery or some nonsense.
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westvillagegirl (exiled in chicago)
11/03/08

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Can I just say, by the way, that I have had it up to here with moral absolutism? Can we get some secular humanisum up in this joint? Purty please?
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TheFormerJuneBronson
11/03/08

@westvillagegirl (exiled in chicago): It's too bad we should even have to try to get it, considering it's the entire basis for our government. It seems that we should have noticed by now that the Puritans don't still have a stranglehold on our economy is that they were lousy businesspeople. You can't expect to wield supreme executive power just because some watery tart threw a sword at you. And people now who are under the impression that religion and government should be interchangeable should learn from history and found their own damn colony. I hear that large swathes of Antarctica are available.
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glissade
11/03/08

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Who are those 35%?!?!?!?
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I'm Chuck Bass
11/03/08

@glissade: Freaks who live in Colorado Springs, I'd guess. Think Focus on the Family.
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TheFormerJuneBronson
11/03/08

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This is the thing about getting into bed with half-crazy. You can't stop it from developing into full-blown fascist crazy because of laws you wanted passed! The answer, of course, is to mind your own damn business. Why that's too much for people, I'll never understand. Tend your own field instead of worrying about the state of your neighbor's.
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chelotoyou
11/03/08

@TheFormerJuneBronson: People who say things like "I'm beginning to doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion!!"
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stacyinbean
11/03/08

@chelotoyou: OMG. I watched that movie for the first time ever this weekend. On mushrooms. True story!
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redlikerubies
11/03/08

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I would think she could get a lot more people to listen to her if she would give up her womb to carry several embryos, thus saving them from their horrible fate... just like I'd maybe stop and listen for 2 seconds to the protesters outside the new Planned Parenthood building going up if I knew they had all adopted 5 babies from drug addicted teenage mothers.
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RainbowBrite
11/03/08

@redlikerubies: Yeah, she should offer up her womb to all those frozen fertilized eggs in the fertility clinics. Maybe there could be some sort of "public housing" for those fertilized eggs - in the wombs of childless women.
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KathrynwithaY loves Joan Collins
11/03/08

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Oh great. I guess I am the mother of thousands of kids. I'm like the little old woman who lived in a shoe, but I live in an apartment and they're housed in an almond sized ovary. I can't even support myself, let alone all these tiny mouths to feed!!!

What's that, my unborn babies?? You want to stress eat some chocolate? As you wish.
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PandaGrrl
11/03/08

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I went to an accredited, physical law school and I have no idea how this could be made into a law that would withstand a consitutional challenge. What is the online Christian law school teaching that mine didn't?

Plus, interstate commerce much? How on earth could Colorado keep out the rest of us?
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westvillagegirl (exiled in chicago)
11/03/08

@PandaGrrl: When I was growing up in Indiana, we used to have to go up to Michigan to buy fireworks and beer on Sundays.

I can just see all the planned parenthoods clustered around the state line now. "LAST SAFE SEX BEFORE BORDER"
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stacyinbean
11/03/08

@westvillagegirl (exiled in chicago): HA! That's what us folk in Massachusetts use New Hampshire for. Though now we are allowed to buy our booze on Sunday, but only from 12-6.
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hellosunshine
11/03/08

@stacyinbean is a proud East Coast Librul Elitist: I've only been through NH once, through a tiny corner of it on the way to Maine, but I LOVE that there are exit signs for package stores. Easy access!
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hfree
11/03/08

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I would think this may also invalidate medications (like chemo) that could harm a fetus. I'm on the pill because a medication I take could cause birth defects. I have to be off that medication for at least 4 months before thinking about having a child if I want to ensure that child is healthy. If I don't take birth control and then I can't responsibly take the medication that keeps me healthy. . .Am I reading too much into this?
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RainbowBrite
11/03/08

@hfree: You are absolutely NOT reading too much into this! My father is taking thalidomide and even though he and my mom are, ahem, past reproductive age, there are all these hoops they have to jump through to prove they're using contraception (ew gross - parents). So yeah, he's a 67 year old man, but what if he were a 34 year old woman?

Also, imagine if a woman who just got pregnant, found out she had cancer. The fetus' rights would be equal to hers, so she wouldn't be allowed to get an abortion to begin chemotherapy.

Ugh now I'm pissed
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scullymurphy
11/03/08

@hfree: Not at all. There are many kinds of medicines which have side-effects that impede fertility. This law would attempt to prohibit you taking them. Hopefully this is one of (many) reasons this piece of shit would be found unconstitutional were it to pass.
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MegSpencer
11/03/08

@RainbowBrite: You and your extreme women's "health" propaganda.
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RainbowBrite
11/03/08

@MegSpencer: Yeah, yeah, I know. I mean, as we speak, thousands of women are out there trying to get cancer so they can have a "health exemption" to get an abortion, ideal a late term one.
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SarahMC
11/03/08

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Colluder.
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