Peeps are always going to try to make a buck. Disney is a company, that's their job.
I love the movies, so does my kid, love the messages and many of the talents they cultivate.
As for the materialism? My kid wants the stuff. She wants lots of stuff that has nothing to do with Disney, too. So do I. Do I buy her, or me, all that crap? Nope. Hardly ever. (I broke down on one particularly nice Belle dress as a DisneyWorld memento...is that so wrong?)
After the new story of the person getting trampeled to death at Wal-mart my mom and I were talking about how materialistic and greedy the commercials seem this year. They all try to make people feel bad if they don't get their kids the newest toys or spend a ton on them.
All these commercials rank right up there in annoyance with the AmEx one where the guy is over his limit and trying to buy and engagement ring. Yes, go into more debt for a ring, good way to start a marriage. Blah...
My parents did okay when I was growing up but couldn't buy me all the toys I wished I could have. I asked for things occasionally but was mostly told no. It was a treat to get gifts. Gifts aren't something one should expect, they are supposed to be given from love.
Oh yeh lets not forget the total shiite that is 'thats so raven'
A middle class American family that seems to have the disposable income of a small third world country even though mum is in full time education - Law school no less and Dad is a chef/ cook..
Who writes this rubbish??? 1 million monkeys in a room with one million typewriters??
I have never been to a Disney theme park, though when I was in elementary school I was dying to go. Likewise, we didn't really have many Disney-themed toys when I was growing up - although, to be fair, part of that is because the Disney marketing juggernaut didn't go into crazy overdrive until I'd grown up. We owned three Disney movies on VHS: The Little Mermaid, Aladdin, and The Lion King.
Instead, we went on camping trips for vacation, where I learned 1) how to shit in the woods, 2) how to paddle a canoe, and 3) that I will never take a camping vacation willingly in my life again. And we watched John Candy movies. Many, many, many John Candy movies.
Having said all this: promoting materialism isn't just a Disney thing, its a business model thing. I wanted all the shiny new toys, of course, but I rarely got them - I've wanted an American Girl doll for 20 years now, people. My grandmother bought my sister and I a Barbie every year, and I had a small collection of My Little Ponies, but all the fancy new toys were out of the budget for two public school teachers raising three children and paying a mortgage. My parents just said no. Parents just have to say no.
@Ratinski: I got to go to Disney once when I was 8. It was really memorable because it was our one big trip as a kid. We camped out near there though. We also went to Cypress Gardens and the Kennedy Space Center. I can't remember owning any Disney movies other than the ones we had taped off Disney channel when they did the free previews back in the day when you had to pay extra for Disney channel.
"... and that's what I have against this materialism", said the priest, reclining in his oak chair, stroking his velvet ropes while sipping on a diamond encrusted chalice, appreciating the ostentatiously decorated church building.
Disney can give me and my kids all the damn message their black withered hearts desire. This will not change the message *I* will give them, which is you don't need material posessions to be happy, now go play "imagination." This was a frequent suggestion of my mother's... that and "go take a walk". Granted, playing imagination was aided considerably by a box of costumes, which were my mom and grandma's old dresses, and a large refrigerator box which I colored on. Give me a bowl to put dirt and pine needles in to make "potions" and you had a perfect LaComtesse play date.
I will concede, however, in an attempt to not paint myself as a perfect, non-materialistic angel, that every time a commercial came on TV I would declare "I need that!" (pronounced "I nennat!") So I think all kids are prone to marketing ploys, but they get over them when denied.
@LaComtesse: Exactly. I had the Disney encyclopedia and the sing-along thingies. However, I had almost no plastic toys. Instead I had a set of tinker toys, a chemistry set and dissection kit. Between that and all the old fabrics my grandma let me play with I could "invent" anything. Hence, I was a super hero inventor magical queen!
Morality and meaning may have been available as part of my cultural inheritance, but that shit isn't free at all; I'm still paying my grandparents off with tri-weekly phone calls (though if I give them a great-grandchild and get a Real Job they said they'd lower the interest rates.)
There are so many similarities between raising young children and training puppies.
All the books say that you'll never be able to teach your dog NOT to want whatever is in the trashcan. The best approach? Make the trashcan inaccessible to the dog. (And this is why I spent $130 on a fancy dog-proof kitchen trashcan.)
Likewise you'll probably never teach your kid to stop wanting what Disney is selling -- and Lord knows you're never going to "teach" a for-profit company to stop trying to make money. The solution? Don't take your kids to the Disney Store. Don't let them watch too much Disney Channel (and its accompanying commercials). Don't go to Disney World every damn year. Make that overpriced shit inaccessible!
@Buffalo_Gal: Au contraire: Home-schooling FTW! ;)
Totally kidding. I know it's not that easy. But I'd be willing to bet your daughter isn't as annoyingly "WANTIT!" as kids who do watch cable all the time! I think you're doing your part to limit her exposure to certain consumerist trends, and for that, I applaud you.
@I'm Chuck Bass: A fresh roll of toilet paper is like Disney World for my dog. And she's 13 years old -- I thought she would've grown out of her Disney Princess stage by now, but no... ;)
I plan on showering my children with all of the Pochahontas slushie machines, Monsters Inc. incontinence pads for nighttime wetness, and Sleeping Beauty needle sterilizers their hearts desire.
My dad did a brilliant thing when I was obsessed with Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles (not Disney, but still product bradning) -- he got me Ninja Turtle bedsheets. A full set. One night staring at Raphael and Donatello on my pillow was enough to make me realize how ridiculous that shit was, and I stopped saying "IwantitIwantitIwantit!"
@sarah.of.a.lesser.god.prepares.to.welcome.her.new.ovumlord: Yo, I have Simpsons bedsheets, with Ralph Wiggam on the pillow case saying "I found a moon rock in my nose!" I still want the Homer Simpson nutcracker I saw in the "What in the World?" Catalogue.
I am unaware of any occasion on which Disney has covered up child abuse by one of its employees, which is more than I can say for the Catholic Church. How about that log in your eye, Chris?
@Shamrockette: My thoughts exactly. I asked for so much stuff when I was a kid, and all my mom had to do was say NO. If the parents don't buy it, then it's not as big of a deal to the kids.
@Shamrockette: Amen. Even Mr. JB tends to fold like a bad poker hand when the kid starts whining. Then I get to be the mean parent. But WTF? When you give in when they whine, they whine more. It's like training a cat. Everyone knows this.
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I love the movies, so does my kid, love the messages and many of the talents they cultivate.
As for the materialism? My kid wants the stuff. She wants lots of stuff that has nothing to do with Disney, too. So do I. Do I buy her, or me, all that crap? Nope. Hardly ever. (I broke down on one particularly nice Belle dress as a DisneyWorld memento...is that so wrong?)
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All these commercials rank right up there in annoyance with the AmEx one where the guy is over his limit and trying to buy and engagement ring. Yes, go into more debt for a ring, good way to start a marriage. Blah...
My parents did okay when I was growing up but couldn't buy me all the toys I wished I could have. I asked for things occasionally but was mostly told no. It was a treat to get gifts. Gifts aren't something one should expect, they are supposed to be given from love.
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A middle class American family that seems to have the disposable income of a small third world country even though mum is in full time education - Law school no less and Dad is a chef/ cook..
Who writes this rubbish??? 1 million monkeys in a room with one million typewriters??
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Instead, we went on camping trips for vacation, where I learned 1) how to shit in the woods, 2) how to paddle a canoe, and 3) that I will never take a camping vacation willingly in my life again. And we watched John Candy movies. Many, many, many John Candy movies.
Having said all this: promoting materialism isn't just a Disney thing, its a business model thing. I wanted all the shiny new toys, of course, but I rarely got them - I've wanted an American Girl doll for 20 years now, people. My grandmother bought my sister and I a Barbie every year, and I had a small collection of My Little Ponies, but all the fancy new toys were out of the budget for two public school teachers raising three children and paying a mortgage. My parents just said no. Parents just have to say no.
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I will concede, however, in an attempt to not paint myself as a perfect, non-materialistic angel, that every time a commercial came on TV I would declare "I need that!" (pronounced "I nennat!") So I think all kids are prone to marketing ploys, but they get over them when denied.
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All the books say that you'll never be able to teach your dog NOT to want whatever is in the trashcan. The best approach? Make the trashcan inaccessible to the dog. (And this is why I spent $130 on a fancy dog-proof kitchen trashcan.)
Likewise you'll probably never teach your kid to stop wanting what Disney is selling -- and Lord knows you're never going to "teach" a for-profit company to stop trying to make money. The solution? Don't take your kids to the Disney Store. Don't let them watch too much Disney Channel (and its accompanying commercials). Don't go to Disney World every damn year. Make that overpriced shit inaccessible!
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All it takes is a few friends at school!
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(We're working on "leave it" -- slippers and shoes are Disney merchandise for puppies, let me tell you.)
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Totally kidding. I know it's not that easy. But I'd be willing to bet your daughter isn't as annoyingly "WANTIT!" as kids who do watch cable all the time! I think you're doing your part to limit her exposure to certain consumerist trends, and for that, I applaud you.
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So what if your kid throws a damn temper tantrum? You're supposed to teach your kids that sometimes they CAN'T get what they want.
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Ugh. Just typing that made me want to punch myself in the gut.
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