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    Chastity Bono Is Transgender; Real Housewife Of NJ Welcomes Baby

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    06/12/09

    In reply to Chastity Bono Is Transgender; Real Housewife Of NJ Welcomes Baby
    Is it pathetic that I'm so happy for Jacqueline from Real Housewives of New Jersey? She seems like a genuinely kind person and I felt terrible for her because she'd had four miscarriages in a row. I really have got to stop feeling strong emotions about people I don't actually know.
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    06/12/09

    @R-Star: It's not pathetic. I'm happy for her too--her monologue on the show about getting out her maternity tops and then having to put them away again broke my heart. And this is coming from someone with no desire for behbehs.
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    06/11/09

    In reply to Chastity Bono Is Transgender; Real Housewife Of NJ Welcomes Baby
    Just out of curiosity, how can you determine whether or not someone commits suicide (as opposed to it being an unfortunate accident) from an autopsy? I don't get how you can figure that out without knowing what the person was thinking when he died.
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    06/11/09

    @Sputnik_Sweetheart: What I'd like to know is, are they classifying it as murder or accident? Accident vs. suicide would probably be hard to determine with self-strangulation, but murder would be more easily figured out, right?
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    06/11/09

    In reply to Chastity Bono Is Transgender; Real Housewife Of NJ Welcomes Baby
    Can someone help me, please? Is she transitioning from lesbian to straight male?
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    06/11/09

    @SaveGasRideACowboy: in a word, yes.
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    06/11/09

    @SaveGasRideACowboy: Yes. Undergoing a sex change is not going to change who he is attracted to.
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    06/12/09

    @SaveGasRideACowboy: I don't think there's really any way to answer that without talking to him. Transing gender doesn't necessarily do anything to change who you're attracted to. But, not every FTM (I would hazard a guess that most FTMs) do not identify as a "straight male" after the transition. Some identify as transmen, some as queer... etc etc I could go on. Don't try to fit it into a box, a lot of the time it won't fit.
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    06/11/09

    In reply to Chastity Bono Is Transgender; Real Housewife Of NJ Welcomes Baby
    Cristiano Ronaldo was just bought by Real Madrid for $130 million dollars. And now he's got Paris too?
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    06/11/09

    In reply to Chastity Bono Is Transgender; Real Housewife Of NJ Welcomes Baby
    It makes me really happy that most of the news outlets are refering to Chaz as he/him. Although there was one "Cher's daughter to undergo sex change" from MSNBC.


    When even TMZ knows better than to use the wrong pronouns you'd think MSNBC would be ashamed to do otherwise. But I guess not. Wouldn't want to blow the minds of the business world I guess.


    I wish him the best of luck in transitioning.

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    06/11/09

    @Lizard in the Wires, is movin' to Fresno! Any Jezzies need ...: Perhaps it might have been confusion as to what to refer to someone who is pre-op? Still, hopefully as transpeople become more visible in society, these pronoun issues will go away and reporters will just know the correct thing to say.


    And yes, good luck Chaz!

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    06/11/09

    @Lizard in the Wires, is movin' to Fresno! Any Jezzies need ...: Somebody please educate me on this one, because I'm not sure of the correct answer on this:

    I understand someone transitioning from female to male should be referred to with the male pronoun. But is it offensive for MSNBC to call Chaz "Cher's daughter"? I mean, at birth, he was considered Cher's daughter, and so I understand wanting to use that as a way to clarify who someone is. But would that be rude? I don't know any transpeople in real life, so I'm not sure what the etiquette is in that situation.
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    06/11/09

    @deltabella: Once Chaz asked to be called "Chaz" and "he" all gender specific nouns change. Chaz is Cher's son. He has been Cher's son ever since he identified as male.
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    06/11/09

    @Ailanthus-altissima: But that's not exactly fair -- people know that Cher had a daughter named Chastity. In a headline, I think it's appropriate to say "Cher's daughter to undergo gender reassignment" because otherwise it'd be "Cher's son" and not only imply that Cher had a son we never knew about but that he was becoming a woman, not the other way around.


    "Cher's adult child" would work too, but headlines are supposed to capture attention. As long as the article/story was respectful (and clear in explaining gender reassignment to the many people who don't "get" it), I don't know that it was a problem.

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    06/11/09

    @Pennyfeather: Oh yeah, that's definitely the case. I am sure MSNBC wanted to have a headline that was easily and quickly understandable to someone just skimming. I wanted to add that as an addendum, but decided against it because I couldn't word it correctly. I am sure there was a better way to say it than "Cher's daughter," but I couldn't think of anything quickly enough. You're right that "child" might not be the best.

    We need more gender neutral adult offspring pronouns.
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    06/11/09

    In reply to Chastity Bono Is Transgender; Real Housewife Of NJ Welcomes Baby
    Ethan Embry is going to has teh biggest sad when he finds out about Jamie Kennedy and J Love Hewitt.
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    06/12/09

    @Cunning_Linguist: win.
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    06/11/09

    In reply to Chastity Bono Is Transgender; Real Housewife Of NJ Welcomes Baby
    Miley Cyrus and Nick Jonas can't wait to go an expiration date.
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    06/11/09

    In reply to Chastity Bono Is Transgender; Real Housewife Of NJ Welcomes Baby
    I admire Chastity (Chaz) and that choice a lot and think it takes so much courage to go through with that sort of transition.


    The other part of me though, got oddly sad for a minute that has felt trapped inside her gender and won't be a woman anymore. Is that weird? I don't even know this person!

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    06/11/09

    @Chocolate Sex Bunny: No, I think it's reasonable to feel very bad for a person who through no fault of their own ends up in a sort of gender purgatories. Just imagining the years of their lives spent uncomfortable.


    Honestly though, Chaz Bono is one of the people I would feel the least sad for. Lucky for him he has access to wealthy parents allowing him the opportunity to change. I'd give more of my sympathy to the number of people who don't have the financial resources to become what they feel they are. Especially the transgendered people who end up joining the sex trade to earn the money to transition.

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    06/11/09

    In reply to Chastity Bono Is Transgender; Real Housewife Of NJ Welcomes Baby
    I posted a link about Chaz Bono on FB a little while ago, and congratulated him for his courage. One of my conservative friends left a comment: "Her."


    I replied: He prefers to be recognized as "him." And, soon enough, will actually be a "him."


    Oh, SNAP!

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    06/11/09

    @LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman: Very little sends me into a blind rage like intentionally calling a transperson by the wrong pronoun. It is so disrespectful, inappropriate, and wrong.
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    06/11/09

    @Ailanthus-altissima: I agree.
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    06/11/09

    @LadySoprano is a Fat-Fighting Superwoman: You are awesome for saying that. Hearted.
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    06/11/09

    In reply to Chastity Bono Is Transgender; Real Housewife Of NJ Welcomes Baby
    Ok, so read 'bono'. Immediately thought of y'know..

    [www.popandpolitics.com]


    which makes the whole idea pretty funny...

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    06/11/09

    @beastybeatsy: that was my thought, too! How would TMZ know what he was going through? He's rehearsing for the 360 Tour.
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    06/11/09

    In reply to Chastity Bono Is Transgender; Real Housewife Of NJ Welcomes Baby
    I approve of Cameron Diaz. Who knew?
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    06/11/09

    @amy1971: Me too, I hope her words begin a "cult of non-motherhood".


    Only cause it sounds like so much fun!

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    06/11/09

    @Chocolate Sex Bunny: I would join!
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    06/12/09

    @amy1971: I like her too. And I'd totally join a cult of non-motherhood!
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    06/11/09

    In reply to Chastity Bono Is Transgender; Real Housewife Of NJ Welcomes Baby
    Isn't this like the third or fourth early-morning drunken interview starring Danny DeVito?
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    06/12/09

    @hacienda51: DeVito gets a pass from me because of It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.


    "You gotta pay the troll toll/if you wanna get into that boy's hole..."

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    06/11/09

    In reply to Chastity Bono Is Transgender; Real Housewife Of NJ Welcomes Baby
    Of course Kanye digs Lady Gaga's style. It's "arty" like him. BUT HOW COULD THIS NOT BE INCLUDED?!?!?!


    [music-mix.ew.com]


    This is like a match in heaven. Or hell, depending.

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    06/11/09

    @PreposterousHypothesis: I want to go. The gravitational pull of their combined egos is too much to resist. That, and I actually kinda like Lady GaGa (I am not ashamed, I think) and am curious what her show would be like.
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    06/11/09

    In reply to Chastity Bono Is Transgender; Real Housewife Of NJ Welcomes Baby
    My husband is a transman from SouthAmerica, where Transmen are quite rare...then he comes to Toronto and Boom! Lots and lots of transmen....there is something fishy going on.


    I am surely going to feminist hell for saying this but...seems to me for some people, the allure of the Testosterone and the label of Trans is just too tempting...Yeah I know...I am going to hell. LOL

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    06/11/09

    @Quecchua (Subversive Unschooling Witch in Toronto): I'm guessing there is 1) a doctor or doctors in Toronto that are known for their skills in reassignment surgery 2) once a few trans folk find themselves accepted in the community, news spreads, esp. online. And big cities are more GBLT-friendly anyway . . .


    I wonder how the Canadian health care system treats these sorts of surgeries?

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    06/11/09

    @Quecchua (Subversive Unschooling Witch in Toronto): I don't understand what you are saying?
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    06/11/09

    @Treeless: I think it does to an extent, and it might differ from province to province... and I remember somebody saying that the province of Alberta (surprisingly) covers either a certain amount of either the operation or hormones. This is just what I vaguely recall hearing from a pre-op trans acquaintance of mine who was considering moving to Alberta for that reason.
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    06/11/09

    @Treeless:

    Here we go:

    [www.egale.ca]
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    06/11/09

    @Treeless: @poires et poireaux: I believe OHIP (Ontario's health plan) has partial coverage for gender reassignment. Also, the LBGT community has a strong presence around Toronto, which goes a bit hand in hand with the city's great appreciation of acceptance and diversity. I've been here for five years now, and honestly to me it just makes sense that many transgendered people would gravitate towards a place like this.


    @Quecchua (Subversive Unschooling Witch in Toronto): I really don't understand where you're going with that last bit?

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    06/11/09

    @poires et poireaux: They just delisted GRS. I expect it will be in the courts soon.
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    06/11/09

    In reply to Chastity Bono Is Transgender; Real Housewife Of NJ Welcomes Baby
    Oh Chaz, now the Simpsons will be wrong and you won't be the first female President.


    It'd be great if a transman were elected, though. The Simpsons wouldn't be right, but it'd still be great.

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