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otherginger
11/05/09

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My father, Harvard/MIT grad rocket scientist of 75, confessed to me he thought he'd watch two minutes of an Orange County episode and was confounded to find himself sucked into the entire episode (I did not ask if the cleavage helped - this is my DAD). The housewives are repulsive and yet fascinating - in fact, the more repulsive (hi, Kim!) the more fascinating. Anyway, I watch em all. Not ashamed. I enjoy feeling superior to people who have lots more money than I do. #therealhousewives
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maybeimamazed02
11/05/09

@otherginger: My mom has a master's degree and a high-profile marketing job. Guess who got me and my sister watching The Girls Next Door? #therealhousewives
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lurkerbynature
11/05/09

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I can give a pass to schadenfreude, the prurient interest in watching people act horribly, and the feeling of "well, at least I'm notthat bad." They might not be the most noble reasons for entertainment, but they're valid.

The idea that these characters are any sort of "archetypical women," however, I find completely offensive.
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rednrowdy
11/05/09

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cohen, like joe francis and his franchise, would defend the show to his death because it makes him money. #therealhousewives
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BeckySharper
11/05/09

@rednrowdy: exactly. #therealhousewives
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Diziet_Sma
11/05/09

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Can't stand these shows. It's lowest common denominator television that validates and encourages their juvenile behavior and generally horrible values - extreme greed, extreme competitiveness, extreme vanity, extreme materialism etc. Yeah, I said it.
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first man
11/05/09

@Diziet_Sma: I don't know that it validates and encourages the behavior so much as it calls these people out. At least, that's the way I see it because I could NEVER act like these women. And honestly, after seeing all of the shit that happened in Atlanta, I have really been watching myself with what I say about other people. It may be a weird source of inspiration, but the Real Housewives has kind of changed how I view my relationships with other women. For the better. Yes, it shows these women being complete asses to each other but maybe it's important for people to see that. Sometimes examples of what NOT to be are just as important as images of what we SHOULD be. #therealhousewives
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Diziet_Sma
11/05/09

@first man: The fact that the show even exists is a validation, and the producers undoubtedly encourage their worst excesses: such is the nature of 'reality' TV. I hear what you're saying about the way you watch it - and hey, each to her own; it's only a matter of personal taste - but not all its viewers are as intelligent and thoughtful as you, or most Jez commentors, for that matter. I'm sure there are many who watch it and actually aspire to be like those women. *Shudder*
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BeckySharper
11/05/09

@Diziet_Sma: It totally makes fun of their competitiveness, greed, materialism, etc. Those women look like fools and are held up to public ridicule and contempt for their behavior. I don't think it glorifies them at all--except perhaps in their own minds, which is part of why the joke's on them. #therealhousewives
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Diziet_Sma
11/05/09

@BeckySharper: I guess that kind of humor is so obviously and clumsily set-up that I don't even find it funny; just tedious. Still, it would be a boring old world if we were all the same.
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Kayleigh R. Carter
11/04/09

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"Yes, the Real Housewives are full of themselves, but it's kind of exciting to watch women who are unafraid to assert how important they are."

But they aren't important, and no matter how many times they assert that they are, it never becomes true. I suppose that's why I don't find it exciting, or liberated, I find it pathetic.

Example: every tweet ever from Kim. #therealhousewives
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hughman
11/04/09

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i'm probably hooked on the shows because after all their whining, posing, unrealistic grandstanding and drunken outbursts i keep hoping for the scene where i see their behavior come back to bite them in the ass and they majorly fail. will that scene ever come? probably not and if it does dribble onto the screen it certainly won't live up to the comeuppance i feel they deserve. #therealhousewives
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jigglyball
11/04/09

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Archetype? Unless desiring your 15 minutes of fame has become an archetypal quality, I don't think that word means what he thinks it means. #therealhousewives
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Penny
11/04/09

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I find no reason to watch this show, or The Hills, or whatever else. However, I also find no reason to judge others for doing so. It's not like I am sitting on my vintage leather chair smoking a pipe and drinking scotch while I read Shakespeare every night. #therealhousewives
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femme-bot
11/04/09

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"Independent women"? Don't most of them live off of rich boyfriends or husbands? #therealhousewives
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Ulookinatmyjunk, JOC
10/18/09

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Mistaking a cake for a perfume bottle may be a sign of possible drug use or drunkeness. Either that, or it must have been a really deceptive-looking cake. #lindsaylohan
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BytheSea
10/18/09

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I so called it that Jon is trying to control Kate with all his grand dramatic gestures. Stealing money, closing the show down, even the interviews? It's all a way to say, you can't leave me, I'm going to bully you until you pay attention to me.

I can't help wondering how much his religous background is playing into this attitude. I live in PA and my uncle is a preacher literally minutes from where Jon and Kate live. Some of those churches preach that the man is the head of the house and godlike ruler and the wife falls in line. It's always been covered up on the show, bt Jon and Kate are hella religious.
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applejuice
10/18/09

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You know, I used to really like Ewan McGregor, but recently I have noticed (several times) that he has done/said things that made me think he's got a huge ego, is arrogant and just kind of rude. (I think this first started when I watched those round the world and north to south motorbike trips with Charlie Boorman. I read the book too. I know a lot of people liked them but my overall feeling...hard to explain but it just left a bad taste in my mouth - something about his aloof "I'm something really special" manner. )

This Polanski stuff is just the last straw for me. I was just kind of not bothered about him either way before, but now I count myself as a non-fan. #lindsaylohan
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sarasasa
10/18/09

@applejuice: Yeah, me too. So sad, I used to really like him. It seems many people still need to understand that what he did is inexcusable, and if they have a personal relationship with the guy and don't want to talk shit about him, that's fine, don't say anything and be done with it. Being an overall nice guy is not a defense for rape. #lindsaylohan
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applejuice
10/21/09

@sarasasa: Definitely! I'm really disapponted in Natalie Portman. I think she in particular has lost a lot of fans over this. #lindsaylohan
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SparklyTempest
10/18/09

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Isn't Hugh Jackman alos a song and dance man? Doesn't he do musical theater as well? #lindsaylohan
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fembot111
10/18/09

@SparklyTempest: That's exactly what I thought! The man does a mean Broadway musical, or so I've heard. Saw his Oklahoma a while back and I must say that he was a deee-lightful Curly. #lindsaylohan
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PhillyLass
10/18/09

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How absurd of Dina Lohan to call out her ex for going on TV and using his kids for publicity whoring purposes when she DID A REALITY SHOW WITH THEM! Michael Lohan may be way out of line, but there's a pot/kettle situation here that she seems incapable of grasping. #lindsaylohan
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Island of Misfit Toys
10/18/09

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Here's a translation of Ewan's statement:

I was pretty upset. I don't like to think of him sitting in a prison cell. = I don't think he should go to jail. What is happening is wrong.

But I wouldn't comment upon it because it's a very complicated issue, you know? = I know if I speak out on his behalf, my career will be irreparably damaged, so I will couch my unpopular opinion in third-person, indirect comments while announcing that I decline to comment.

It seems odd. He's been living in Switzerland for years and I've visited him there, so this is all very strange. = But I still think his arrest is wrong and I want you to know that without getting me in trouble.
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Island of Misfit Toys
10/18/09

@Island of Misfit Toys: Oh, and fuck you, Ewan McGregor.

First of all, for supporting that disgusting pedophile-rapist. And secondly, for deciding to comment about it but not being man enough to just come out and say it, but trying to weasel your way out of responsibility for your statements. #lindsaylohan
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snugbug
10/18/09

@Island of Misfit Toys: Are you translating from Scottish to Projectingish? #lindsaylohan
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Island of Misfit Toys
10/18/09

@snugbug: I don't think I'm projecting, but I guess nobody ever thinks they are, when they are... #lindsaylohan
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snugbug
10/18/09

@Island of Misfit Toys: If you read the linked LAT Q&A in its entirety, you'll find that McEwan is in no way shirking from stating his unmitigated support and admiration for Polanski-the-director. In that light, I suppose I read his above-quoted comment as "This whole business of what Polanski-the-person did is giving me the creeps, and also saddening me because I admire him on a professional level and he welcomed me into his home. I have contradictory and confusing feelings about it all." And yes, THIS is prolly projecting in the opposite direction, I guess.. #lindsaylohan
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Jack_Burton
10/18/09

@Island of Misfit Toys: I'm sure that McGregor's comments are verbatim and that your interpretation is the only possible meaning for his statements, which exist alone, amid a massive sea of communications. #lindsaylohan
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