Not only do I agree with most of the posters here, but I also want to point out that shooting sprees are kind of dated and jejeune. I wish these pissed off males would find another way to express themselves beyond the same old cliched "Let's kill a bunch of folks at a college!"
I consider myself to be a strong person but I have been the victim of three separate stalkers in my adult life and all three of them made my life miserable.
One was a secretary at my office in Washington D.C. who followed me to Boston when I went to law school in Boston and she completely terrorized me night and day always trying to find excuses to see me. (For example she would tell me that she had spent weeks knitting me a sweater for my birthday, and when I told her to just leave it for me in the lobby she'd complain it could get lost so she had to give it to me in person and on and on.) When I graduated from school I told her I was returning to D.C. when I was really moving to L.A.
Everything was calm until a few months into my job in L.A. I got a phone call and she was at the other end of the line and she screamed "I found you! I found you!" (with crazy music playing in the background). She must have called every law firm in every major city in America to find me (this was before googling was available). Strangely she never followed me to L.A. I honestly think she probably ended up in the looney bin.
The other two stalkers stayed away as soon as I got court orders.
I think people like me who are overly polite or too good looking attract these sorts. What I learned is you need to be firm with them up front. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile!
Probably just a crazy coincidence. She was a classical music buff.
She used to wear this button on her lapel that said "I'm Naughty Not Nice". She even wore it in the office. Not sure why that didn't get her in trouble.
She was from Malaysia and might have been sent home when her green card ran out. Fortunatley for me I'm not planning any trips to Kuala Lumpur anytime soon!
@CrazySexyCool: Ugh, then she probably played it on purpose, he wrote it when he was basically stalking the woman who he ended up marrying. It's all about how the woman he loves is evil, and stuff.
I'm a music major, that is why I get to know fun facts about misogynistic composers.
Oh my God, she went to Westtown? I’m older than she is but I went to one of their rivals – another Philly Quaker school. I'm sure Westtown is shaken - she's not that far out and the school is small, so I bet a lot of people there know her. So sad, so scary, so senseless. My prayers go out to her family and friends. And I hope they lock that motherfucker under the jail. (Not a very Quaker sentiment, but seriously.)
@AstridMorris: It's alumni reunion weekend at Westtown this weekend, and there's going to be a memorial in the Meeting House for her. People are very, very shaken.
@AnnieSaBu: Seriously, you took the words out of my mouth. Why are we so hellbent in this country on making it as easy as possible for people to commit crimes like this?
He may have killed her anyway, but I just don't understand the mentality that both assumes that and then comes to the conclusion that we therefore may as well make all the tools a criminal could want as easily attainable as possible. Shouldn't we be doing the opposite?
I'm sending my eldest daughter to college this fall and this reminds me I need to find out what kind of security they have. What I do remember is it just takes a key to get into the dorm. There is no security guard. Which makes me so angry.
@CrazySexyCool: It's a good point to consider, but look at what happened in this case. They met in a public settign, and he found her 2 years later and killed her in a public setting. You can't make anyone totally safe.
Thats true. What concerns me is these pschyos who want to go out with a bang by taking down a lot of people in a public setting. They seem particularly drawn to schools. Fortunately after that incident in Virignia most schools including Yale where my daughter is attending have a system in place to quickly shut down campus and warn students. New Haven is pretty dangerous. Yale students have been victims of random shootings.
@CrazySexyCool: If it makes you feel any better, I live in New Haven, and think that people overstate its dangerousness as a matter of course. It is large, and urban, and as such, people need to think about safety, but in my experience, it's nowhere near as dangerous as people like to make it out to be.
@CrazySexyCool: We had security patrols by the RAs, as well as security guards, in addition to keys to get us into the building and keycards to let us onto our floor. Bad shit happened, but honestly, the majority of the time, the bad shit happened between people who already knew each other. (I'm thinking of the grandson of one of the Kerr-McGee dudes who shoved chairs under the door handles so no one could get in to rescue the screaming girl he was raping.) I second the recommendation that she read "The Gift of Fear" - it will do her a world of good.
Wesleyan is my alma mater, and definitely one of those "it could never happen here" kind of bubbles. I cannot imagine going through what that entire campus is enduring right now. I cannot imagine returning to that bookstore, where Johanna was shot, even though it's a central part of campus life. These last few days have been unreal, and I'm three years out of Wesleyan and miles away.
@tell Dolly Parton again: Wes alum '05, and as you've all said, this is sickening and scary. Though I agree with prettyricky, President Roth is handling this very well and I'm grateful for that, I can only imagine the added turmoil had President Bennett been in charge. Its like the safety of Obama vs. GW in times of crisis, if that makes sense.
I've never understood how someone could get obsessive enough to kill someone. This poor girl did everything she could - she reported him, she made it clear in no uncertain terms that his attention was unwanted - and yet he still managed to kill her. It's terrifying to think that the smallest modicum of contact with the wrong person can lead to your death.
@truckasaurus is jackie jormp-jomp: In some instances they are surely mentally ill. However more often than not I believe such people (usually men) are filled with a sense of overwheening entitlement to have whatever they want, including the automatic attention of any women. I am sure, like me, many Jezebels can relate an incident when a man turned vicious just because their attentions were POLITELY rebuffed.
at least he turned himself in and hopefully some form of justice will be served. too bad he didn't turn himself in earlier before the murder to get the obvious psychological help he needed.
I don'tknow anything about this story other than what I have just read here. But I am gateful that Jezebel have shown a picture of the victim as opposed to the alleged killer. We have had a number of high profile cases i the UK where men have slaughtered women they harrassed or threatened beforehand. Shamingly, in a number of instances, the authorities did not act decisively when the victims went to them for help againt their known stalker. Too often the authorities ONLY take action when the victim is dead.
I cannot understand such raw hatred. Of blacks. Of Jews. Of Muslims. Of women. Of anyone. It makes no sense. The number of people in this world who are actually malevolent, who are actually out to harm you, is relatively small compared to the number of people on the planet. And yet, so many groups are marked, marked as some kind of evil in the minds of many. Look at what has happened since the President's election -- some people are convinced that blacks are going to take over. Look at the Holocaust -- Hitler was sure that the Jews were at the heart of all Germany's problems.
This kind of thing is incomprehensible. Inconceivable. Yet there is the picture of a vibrant, radiant, smiling young woman who will never know another summer's day. And it hurts -- it hurts the heart to think that such evil roams among us, unseen and unbidden.
@NefariousNewt: Having done a lot of research on modern genocides and read a lot about the Holocaust, it still boggles my mind that people like this exist and operate in society. I cannot comprehend that level of hatred and that desire to annihilate people you don't like or agree with.
Lt.Gen Romeo Dallaire, who was the UN commander in Rwanda during the genocide, made an excellent point in his book that I've repeated many times since I read it. We need to stop fighting the terrorists and the killers and start fighting WHY they become terrorists and killers. We need to stop the breeding of such hatred.
In modern day, the Republicans demonize gays to rally their base...2004 is a perfect example as the Republicans put anti-gay marriage referendums on many state ballots with the hope of getting homophobic people to the polls...
I think that many of the religious right Republicans would have been just like the Nazi's with respect to gays in that they'd love to round them up and send them to reversion camps
@Tangy.Nihilist: I hope that is not the case. I would like to think we'd never stand for it, as free Americans. But it makes you wonder just what latent hostility is brewing under the surface, and to what lengths it will go to carry out acts of hatred, either through individual actions or group efforts.
Footnote: as I write this, what should be playing on my Shuffle? Louis Armstrong's "What a Wonderful World." If only.
@NefariousNewt: This isn't about racial hatred. This is about a crazy (most likely schizophrenic) person getting his hands on a gun. Whatever groups he claims he was targeting are no doubt arbitrary. He wanted to kill that girl, and not because of her race or ethnicity, but because he couldn't have her and he's CRAZY. The real issues here are that this guy's mental illiness either wasn't recognized by people close to him (i.e. family), or it was ignored, and that the average person can get a handgun waaaay to easily in this country. I seriously think a person should have to pass a thorough mental health evaluation before being allowed to purchase a gun.
@pooks: The problem is, one might pass such a test today, but not on the day that one goes on a killing spree.
We need:
1. Rapid, inexpensive DNA testing to become commonplace.
2. Federal money supporting state legislation (not federal laws) for:
A. More aggressive prosecution of violent crimes
B. A double-blind (a simple "flag") notification system that forces those who have psychiatric histories and those who have prior histories of initiating violence and harassment to go through a qualification process.
3. Stricter regulations for distributors and dealers in terms of sale tracking & background checks, with regular audits.
4. Aggressive PR campaign that makes American adults aware of gun statistics.
My heart and thoughts are first and foremost with the victim's family and friends, but I also feel so damn bad for the suspect's family. It's such a senseless, terrible tragedy.
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Move on, paranoid narcisstic nutcases.
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One was a secretary at my office in Washington D.C. who followed me to Boston when I went to law school in Boston and she completely terrorized me night and day always trying to find excuses to see me. (For example she would tell me that she had spent weeks knitting me a sweater for my birthday, and when I told her to just leave it for me in the lobby she'd complain it could get lost so she had to give it to me in person and on and on.) When I graduated from school I told her I was returning to D.C. when I was really moving to L.A.
Everything was calm until a few months into my job in L.A. I got a phone call and she was at the other end of the line and she screamed "I found you! I found you!" (with crazy music playing in the background). She must have called every law firm in every major city in America to find me (this was before googling was available). Strangely she never followed me to L.A. I honestly think she probably ended up in the looney bin.
The other two stalkers stayed away as soon as I got court orders.
I think people like me who are overly polite or too good looking attract these sorts. What I learned is you need to be firm with them up front. Give them an inch and they'll take a mile!
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(the "crazy music" she was playing was Hector Berlioz' Symphonie Fantastique which would drive anyone crazy if you hear it more than a few times!)
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I'm so sorry you had to go through something like that, how horrible.
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Probably just a crazy coincidence. She was a classical music buff.
She used to wear this button on her lapel that said "I'm Naughty Not Nice". She even wore it in the office. Not sure why that didn't get her in trouble.
She was from Malaysia and might have been sent home when her green card ran out. Fortunatley for me I'm not planning any trips to Kuala Lumpur anytime soon!
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I'm a music major, that is why I get to know fun facts about misogynistic composers.
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He may have killed her anyway, but I just don't understand the mentality that both assumes that and then comes to the conclusion that we therefore may as well make all the tools a criminal could want as easily attainable as possible. Shouldn't we be doing the opposite?
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Thats true. What concerns me is these pschyos who want to go out with a bang by taking down a lot of people in a public setting. They seem particularly drawn to schools. Fortunately after that incident in Virignia most schools including Yale where my daughter is attending have a system in place to quickly shut down campus and warn students. New Haven is pretty dangerous. Yale students have been victims of random shootings.
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This kind of thing is incomprehensible. Inconceivable. Yet there is the picture of a vibrant, radiant, smiling young woman who will never know another summer's day. And it hurts -- it hurts the heart to think that such evil roams among us, unseen and unbidden.
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Lt.Gen Romeo Dallaire, who was the UN commander in Rwanda during the genocide, made an excellent point in his book that I've repeated many times since I read it. We need to stop fighting the terrorists and the killers and start fighting WHY they become terrorists and killers. We need to stop the breeding of such hatred.
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In modern day, the Republicans demonize gays to rally their base...2004 is a perfect example as the Republicans put anti-gay marriage referendums on many state ballots with the hope of getting homophobic people to the polls...
I think that many of the religious right Republicans would have been just like the Nazi's with respect to gays in that they'd love to round them up and send them to reversion camps
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Footnote: as I write this, what should be playing on my Shuffle? Louis Armstrong's "What a Wonderful World." If only.
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We need:
1. Rapid, inexpensive DNA testing to become commonplace.
2. Federal money supporting state legislation (not federal laws) for:
A. More aggressive prosecution of violent crimes
B. A double-blind (a simple "flag") notification system that forces those who have psychiatric histories and those who have prior histories of initiating violence and harassment to go through a qualification process.
3. Stricter regulations for distributors and dealers in terms of sale tracking & background checks, with regular audits.
4. Aggressive PR campaign that makes American adults aware of gun statistics.
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