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    Image of Trulymadlyme Trulymadlyme
    11/10/09

    In reply to Readers Not That Into Self's Pseudo-Kelly Clarkson
    Zoe's cover sold better because people are way, way more into pooping bonuses than pooping surprises. Duh! #kellyclarksonself
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Readers Not That Into Self's Pseudo-Kelly Clarkson
    I'm confused by this post. The author starts out saying Kelly's cover was the least successful, then that Zooey's was the most, then at the end says that she hasn't moved as many units? Is that overall on all covers ever?

    And just what is the "theory" behind the poor sales if it isn't about photoshop? The author again states s/he has a "theory" at the beginning, then never explicitly states what that theory is...am I missing something? Is it that Zooey is in a setting, whereas Kelly is in blank white backdrop? #kellyclarksonself
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    Irin promoted this comment blahblog was starred blahblog was unstarred
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    11/10/09

    @blahblog: Units as in records or box office -- their overall performance in the marketplace helps gauge how they might do on the cover. Theory = readers might respond to authenticity in an increasingly media-savvy world. #kellyclarksonself
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    11/10/09

    @Irin: Thanks for clarifying #kellyclarksonself
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    Image of Paprika Jones Paprika Jones
    11/10/09

    In reply to Readers Not That Into Self's Pseudo-Kelly Clarkson
    Yeah, yeah, yeah, all womens' magazines are the same, I get it.

    For me personally, since I read an obscene number of magazines a month for work and find (found) a few somewhat enjoyable, what caused me to permanently let go of Self wasn't the content as much as the pubic attitude of the EIC.

    Self is a magazine that thought it encouraged women to be the best versions of themselves. Kelly Clarkson has never minced words about her weight, and has said that she is who she is, no matter her size; she maintains her confidence no matter what she looks like. That's healthy, and it's a good message to send to readers, so I understand her as the choice for a cover model. But to alter Clarkson's image to appeal to an unrealistic aesthetic sensibility not only undermines her message, but goes against the supposed message of the magazine itself. Upsetting, yes, but more stupid than anything else. Magazines are products designed to sell themselves, and that cover was just bad business.

    When questioned, however, the EIC made no apologies, no attempts to admit she/they were wrong, and went about business as usual. She made excuses about how all magazines do this, and generally behaved like she was a saint, and we were hypersensitive for reacting the way we did. Whatever your opinions are on this, the EIC made a bad business decision. She went against message, and as the face of the magazine, she has repeatedly come off as preachy and self-righteous, none of which are going to sell issues. Had she come out and said, "I'm sorry, we messed up", I might feel better about this and go back to reading occasional issues, but she hasn't, and won't.

    The magazine isn't the best one out there, but I cannot put money into the pockets of a woman who has such little respect for her audience. #kellyclarksonself
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    sybann promoted this comment Paprika Jones was starred Paprika Jones was unstarred
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    11/10/09

    @Paprika Jones: Bravo. They've also always felt hypocritical to me - even the cover blurbs are contradictory: "lose weight!" "love yourself as u r!"

    Frickin pick one bishes. #kellyclarksonself
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Readers Not That Into Self's Pseudo-Kelly Clarkson
    Kelly Clarkson also hasn't done much recently, to my knowledge. Zooey had a highly buzzed-about movie. I'm sure that's a factor. #kellyclarksonself
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    Image of TheBusinessGuy TheBusinessGuy
    11/10/09

    In reply to Readers Not That Into Self's Pseudo-Kelly Clarkson
    Perhaps Conde is Photoshopping the magazines themselves. They look way thinner than they used to look. #kellyclarksonself
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    If_I_Had_a_Poodle promoted this comment TheBusinessGuy was starred TheBusinessGuy was unstarred
    Image of tallgirl-in-heels tallgirl-in-heels
    11/10/09

    In reply to Readers Not That Into Self's Pseudo-Kelly Clarkson
    "Once upon a time, women's magazines had a list of rules of what worked on covers –- which teases, colors, numbers postures, type of celebrity. The media world is a lot more crowded now, the rules are continually broken and disproved..."

    IMO, far from abandoning or breaking the rules in the face of evidence that they aren't really good sales predictors, most magazine editors seem to be clinging to them harder than ever, like they can't give up the ghost. Rather than getting more diverse (as one might expect if rules were being broken), the covers of most mainstream ladymags are getting more and more interchangeable: they all feature the same celebrities, the same lame headlines and teasers, the same poses and styling, the same extreme photoshopping that turns real women into cartoons. #kellyclarksonself
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    If_I_Had_a_Poodle promoted this comment tallgirl-in-heels was starred tallgirl-in-heels was unstarred
    Image of anya629 anya629
    11/10/09

    In reply to Readers Not That Into Self's Pseudo-Kelly Clarkson
    So I posted about this yesterday too. It is really ironic that

    1) technology has made photoshopping so extreme that people are unrecognizable in magazine cover shoots and editorials

    but at the same time

    2) technology (Twitter, gossip blogs) gives us nearly real-time access to the mundane minutiae of celebrities' private lives.

    Why not a happy medium? Why can't celebrities look like themselves on magazine covers (albeit with professional photography and extremely flattering lighting), but then not be in so many snoopy snapshots of them going shopping in sweatpants, eating burgers, etc?

    Is it that photoshopping makes them look so perfect, that people need candid unflattering pictures to balance this, and convince themselves "Hey celebrities are real people and look sloppy sometimes too!" ?
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    rah29 promoted this comment Edited by anya629 at 11/10/09 1:58 PM anya629 was starred anya629 was unstarred
    Image of morninggloria morninggloria
    11/10/09

    In reply to Readers Not That Into Self's Pseudo-Kelly Clarkson
    Next months headlines:

    GET FUCKING TINY!

    How to Photoshop yourself
    into someone that
    even your guy
    won't recognize!

    You're not skinny enough. #kellyclarksonself
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    Image of lonewolfer: lusty trollop lonewolfer: lusty trollop
    11/10/09

    In reply to Readers Not That Into Self's Pseudo-Kelly Clarkson
    These are the exact same magazines, just with different women on the covers.

    1. Slim down
    2. Lose weight

    1. Sexier sex (really?)
    2. The sex pyramid

    1. Confidence
    2. Get the life you want

    1. Health boosters
    2. Superfoods

    This is why I don't buy women's magazines anymore. It's all been done again and again.
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    A Small Turnip promoted this comment Edited by lonewolfer: lusty trollop at 11/10/09 1:32 PM lonewolfer: lusty trollop was starred lonewolfer: lusty trollop was unstarred
    Image of FireflyinJuly FireflyinJuly
    11/10/09

    In reply to Readers Not That Into Self's Pseudo-Kelly Clarkson
    It's true. Oftentimes, I cannot really tell who the anonymous blonde/light brown haired white girl is on the cover of the mag. I assume it's Kelly Ripa. #kellyclarksonself
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    A Small Turnip promoted this comment FireflyinJuly was starred FireflyinJuly was unstarred
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    11/10/09

    @FireflyinJuly: Same here. So really, what's the point of 'snagging' one star or another if no one can tell the difference? #kellyclarksonself
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    11/10/09

    In reply to Readers Not That Into Self's Pseudo-Kelly Clarkson
    Might it not also be worth noting that the Kelly Clarkson cover is really dull? Besides not looking like Kelly, it's just not as pretty and cheerful.

    Plus, right next to it on the newsstand I can pick up Shape, which always features the same bikini-clad body thigh-high in water with a different celebrity's head pasted on, and what's not fun about that? #kellyclarksonself
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    Image of JaneIre JaneIre
    11/10/09

    In reply to Readers Not That Into Self's Pseudo-Kelly Clarkson
    I was browsing the magazine section at the bookstore yesterday and thought I'd buy a fitness magazine because I'm trying to get into shape (I didn't end up buying one because I remembered that I tend to buy the magazines and then never actually use their advice). Anyhow, I glanced at an issue of Self and remembered the terrible photoshop cover, and didn't touch that magazine. The cover advertises the content, and if the cover is fake, it makes me think that the articles inside are worthless for providing good fitness advice.

    I'm not sure why I need a celebrity on my fitness magazines anyhow. I'd much rather buy Women's Health which features random fit women on the cover. #kellyclarksonself
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    BrutallyHonestBabes (aka Mrs. Sarah.of.a.Lesser.Hobbit) promoted this comment JaneIre was starred JaneIre was unstarred
    Image of Irin Irin
    11/10/09

    @JaneIre: Women's Health shifted gears (a year or so ago) and is now putting celebrities on the cover. #kellyclarksonself
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    11/10/09

    @Irin: I guess that shows how long I've quit exercising for! #kellyclarksonself
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    Image of missheidilynn missheidilynn
    11/10/09

    In reply to Readers Not That Into Self's Pseudo-Kelly Clarkson
    I was getting this magazine through Maghound...I took it off my queue because it pretty much was the exact same magazine every month with just a new celeb working out. National Geographic took its place and I am loving it! #kellyclarksonself
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    A Small Turnip promoted this comment missheidilynn was starred missheidilynn was unstarred
    Image of A Small Turnip A Small Turnip
    11/10/09

    @missheidilynn: National Geographic is always an awesome choice. I get my styling tips from the bitchin' ladies of the Serengeti, and learn career efficiency techniques from Amazonian leaf-cutter ants. And I don't loathe myself at the end of the day. Bargain. #kellyclarksonself
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    Image of Bos'un's Mate Bos'un's Mate
    08/14/09

    In reply to Self Editor Says Photoshopped Covers Capture "Essence Of You At Your Best"
    So the essence of Lisa Danziger at her best is David Spade with a shaved mug?
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    08/14/09

    In reply to Self Editor Says Photoshopped Covers Capture "Essence Of You At Your Best"
    What is this "personal best?"
    That makes no sense.
    Bring her into the studio, select a great, flattering outfit from the wardrobe department, do her hair and makeup to perfection and hire a great photographer to light her in the most flattering way and take 200 pictures, 1 of which, will be her personal best. That will be the beautiful image of how great Kelly Clarkson can look. That's aspirational. Making her taller and thinner is just fiction. No one would suggest that the cover of the magazine has to be an untouched picture of the bare faced, messy-haired, just got out of bed, Kelly Clarkson. She should look her best. That photo is simply not her best, it is someone else's.
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    Hana Maru promoted this comment theringer was starred theringer was unstarred
    Image of Hana Maru Hana Maru
    08/14/09

    @theringer: It's a nonsensical concept. It's driving me crazy.
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