My biggest issue with this statement, and what it suggests, is that you need to deny yourself to be "skinny"...or that you'll feel better as a person if you match the ideal body type, regardless of whether it's actually healthy for you or not. Maybe being skinny doesn't feel good to people, not because of what they eat, but because that's not healthy for their body.
Plus, I'm not sure we know how skinny feels in a vacuum. We value and idealize certain body types over others. So psychologically, meeting the beauty ideal may "feel good"...but it might not be achieved in a healthy way, or actually be healthy, or result in actually feeling good so much as feeling like we meet the ideal.
-Running full out for a very hilly mile.
-Breaking body weight on a lift for the first time.
-Back flips.
-Three minutes non-stop on the heavy bag.
-1 arm push ups
I'm lucky someone introduced this stuff to me before I took drastic action trying to lose weight early in college.
Good food is one of life's greatest pleasures. I, for one, am not willing to give that up in order to be skinnier.
At the same time, Moss is PROOF that skinny is exalted so much in this culture that is DOES feel good to be skinny (or, to fit perfectly into that narrow physical ideal). It doesn't have to be that way, but Moss' statement is a symptom of our misogynistic body standards, not the cause.
@SarahMC: Agreed. I think that instead of feeling angry toward Moss- who is a woman, who is someone with a mental disorder, who has always been told it was a good thing- we should feel angry at the people that hire her. Or, perhaps, acknowledge that people hire her because skinny does sell, and make an effort to realize the part inside of us that supports the whole fucked up mentality is something that needs to change, too.
@SarahMC: Well said. The women who fall victim to these ideas are always the scapegoat in these situations.
It reminds me of how magazines like Star constantly pick on celebrities weight, then turn on them when they are "too thin," saying they promote an unhealthy lifestyle. The patriarchy will never be made to answer for creating and enforcing these paradigms, so we have to have someone to blame.
I kind of understand what the person means when she says "skinny sells" but aren't we all supposed to be getting fatter? so I guess it sells us poor self-images? that we're supposed to want to be skinny?
That is so depressing to me, and so unbelievably warped.
It is acknowledging that the opinion of others is more important to you than your own personal pleasure.
Like many commenters, I've struggled with disordered eating. Unlike Kate Moss, however, my own warped mentality was not constantly rewarded. It was cause for concern. Before judging her too harshly, I think everyone should remember that this is a woman whose mental illness has been praised.. maybe not with words, but definitely with actions.
No, lady, disagreeing and being upset can and does lead to doing things to change stuff. Really. Granted, there seem to be forces out there that do not want us to know this, but seriously, don't give up -- makes it too easy for them.
@HarpMadness: The whole "we can't do anything about it" attitude is total bs. Show your disdain with your $$. Promote body-positivity in your life and with regards to your spending.
I'm not disappointed or surprised that Kate Moss made that statement. It's sort of a "No shit!" moment for me. It does piss me off that people think that this paradigm of lionizing thinness is the only way it can be and the only way it has ever been. Actually, it isn't, and it hasn't been. STFU
I've had a 16-year battle with anorexia and actually belonged to a pro-anorexia group as recently as two years ago. I'm not proud of it, but I was in a really low place. And while I never used that phrase, I saw it used all the time. There were certain slogans/catchphrases that were thrown around as "encouragement" and "congratulations" and I wish I could say I never heard that phrase before Kate Moss. And it does promote -- at the very least -- dysmorphia and disordered eating.
@katekatekateyeah: Huh, I didn't know it was used by established companies. Knowing that the self-destructive world of pro-anorexia groups use the same slogan as reputable organizations is a bit . . . weird.
The reason I was a bulimic and not an anorexic (which I really tried to become anorexic, I just couldn't do it) is that there are LOTS OF THINGS that taste as good as skinny feels.
Ergh. That Kate Moss quote is unfortunate. It sounds like a version of how it feels when you don't really eat..."empty" = skinny. Which is pretty close to how you rationalize avoiding food in an ED.
Plus, it's just not true. Food has a pleasurable function, as well as being necessary to live. It's okay to eat because you like how it tastes, or it makes you feel good, or because you want to. Those are all component of "normal" eating. It's when anything gets compulsive that there's a problem.
Also, if your mood is dependent on your size then something is off.
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Plus, I'm not sure we know how skinny feels in a vacuum. We value and idealize certain body types over others. So psychologically, meeting the beauty ideal may "feel good"...but it might not be achieved in a healthy way, or actually be healthy, or result in actually feeling good so much as feeling like we meet the ideal.
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-Running full out for a very hilly mile.
-Breaking body weight on a lift for the first time.
-Back flips.
-Three minutes non-stop on the heavy bag.
-1 arm push ups
I'm lucky someone introduced this stuff to me before I took drastic action trying to lose weight early in college.
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At the same time, Moss is PROOF that skinny is exalted so much in this culture that is DOES feel good to be skinny (or, to fit perfectly into that narrow physical ideal). It doesn't have to be that way, but Moss' statement is a symptom of our misogynistic body standards, not the cause.
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It reminds me of how magazines like Star constantly pick on celebrities weight, then turn on them when they are "too thin," saying they promote an unhealthy lifestyle. The patriarchy will never be made to answer for creating and enforcing these paradigms, so we have to have someone to blame.
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It is acknowledging that the opinion of others is more important to you than your own personal pleasure.
Like many commenters, I've struggled with disordered eating. Unlike Kate Moss, however, my own warped mentality was not constantly rewarded. It was cause for concern. Before judging her too harshly, I think everyone should remember that this is a woman whose mental illness has been praised.. maybe not with words, but definitely with actions.
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I'm not disappointed or surprised that Kate Moss made that statement. It's sort of a "No shit!" moment for me. It does piss me off that people think that this paradigm of lionizing thinness is the only way it can be and the only way it has ever been. Actually, it isn't, and it hasn't been. STFU
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(edited because this comment somehow tagged itself in a not so apt fashion.)
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Plus, it's just not true. Food has a pleasurable function, as well as being necessary to live. It's okay to eat because you like how it tastes, or it makes you feel good, or because you want to. Those are all component of "normal" eating. It's when anything gets compulsive that there's a problem.
Also, if your mood is dependent on your size then something is off.
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